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Which Ryzen 5 will you be buying?

1600x - 6c/12t (Base 3.6 - Boost 4.0) $249
9 (20%)
1600 - 6c/12t (Base 3.2 - Boost 3.6) $219
11 (24%)
1500x - 4c/8t (Base 3.5 - Boost 3.7) $189
2 (4%)
1400 - 4c/8t (Base 3.2 - Boost 3.4) $169
1 (2%)
Ryzen 5 is for the birds, I'm with the 7!
13 (28%)
Ryzen 3 is where it is at, save a Benjamin!
No votes
Ryza who? Intel never "herd" of ya!
2 (4%)
My i5-2500k is fine for a few more years.
3 (7%)
I'm feeling Bleu about the whole Ryzen thing.
5 (11%)
 
Total votes: 46
 
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:05 pm

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If "IF" I execute on a build soon I think it will be down the R7 line. Besides gaming, I'm also operating VM's and serving media at the same time. Not that an R5 wouldn't be a significant boost over my current i7-930. But I think I benefit from triple channel when doing multiple things. Mind you, I have no empirical evidence to support this. Just vague more concurrently available bandwidth is better. And for that reason, I will wait a while and see if quad channel solutions show up.


Village, once you go that route (which is what I did), I ended up hosting my "NAS" as a local RAID array on my main PC. Saved me the price of maintaining a separate CPU/case and my personal performance is no longer network-limited (although everyone else doesn't get that benefit).

I considered running a FreeNAS instance as a VM, but, again, why run all that data through my network card? May as well just share my array from the Host OS. The NZXT H440 case is insane - every single drive tray (and there are 10) has a 3.5" mount point on top and a 2.5" mount point on the bottom, for 20 drives total (there's an extra 3.5" spot near the motherboard tray as well).
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:56 pm

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Village, once you go that route (which is what I did), I ended up hosting my "NAS" as a local RAID array on my main PC. Saved me the price of maintaining a separate CPU/case and my personal performance is no longer network-limited (although everyone else doesn't get that benefit).

I considered running a FreeNAS instance as a VM, but, again, why run all that data through my network card? May as well just share my array from the Host OS. The NZXT H440 case is insane - every single drive tray (and there are 10) has a 3.5" mount point on top and a 2.5" mount point on the bottom, for 20 drives total (there's an extra 3.5" spot near the motherboard tray as well).


I have sort of gone down that road. Network storage is 5bay raid5 enclosure via esata and shared out from the machine to the network. I have the benefit though of a couple of DL360 G6/G7 in a rack for more experimentation with. Just my network connection to them is crappy powerline since I've been too lazy to drill through the house to get proper cables to it. Bit of a poor gadget guy so I end up with a few cast offs that I hodgepodge together for fun.

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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:30 pm

Vhalidictes wrote:
Welch wrote:
The i5 during Sandybridge was the best gaming chip. The i5 outperformed the i7 thanks to the HT performing terrible in gaming titles. Games also weren't taking advantage of much more than 2 cores back then, plus whatever background programs you were running.

The same thing can be said about the i7... If you want to throw Intel money for 4 more "fake" cores then be my guest.


HT is a feature that, by and large, works well at this point. All Intel cores are fabbed with the capability. The only reason that i5's exist with HT removed is to hit a certain price point for product segmentation. It's not a particularly good price point either; for both gaming and high-performance-computing there are better options.

Overclocking on a budget, for example, would be a corner case where the i5 could make sense... but only because the i3-7350K is so expensive. Again, product segmentation insanity. If nothing else, RyZen should help clean up Intel's product line.


I'm aware that Intel simply disables the HT that my chip is more than capable of. But I'd hardly call the i3 a good solution for gaming or more compared to the i5 for the simple (and simplified) fact that they both have "4 cores". Physicals are always better than virtual.

I agree with you that HT works well these days and has merit in all sorts of things, even office machines. This just wasn't the case when I bought my i5 in 2011 though. The price savings of $130 for me at the time for little to no difference in gaming was great. I benefited from other better components instead.

Yes, hopefully Ryzen shakes them up and I think we will see the 2 core 4 thread i3 disappear in favor of 4 core no HT (the i5) and everything will be bumped up a rung on the ladder. Only I think Intel will stop at 6 core 12 thread with higher clocks.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:02 am

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Where's the cheese option? :P


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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:35 pm

Added a cheese option, killed the previous votes apparently. Now I feel bleu. Thanks for being so grate about this guys, go ahead and revote.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:21 am

If y'all are in a big hurry, antonline is selling them on eBay at what I believe to be regular prices.

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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:13 pm

There is quite a few R7 and R5 on eBay actually already. An 1800x that current bids are at $426. If you can find them on there for $50+ off their MSRP already, this will bode well for getting into a Ryzen system. If they are used, I wonder if the people selling them were disappointed with the performance, RAM speed issues or if they are after a better bin. Also wonder how many of these are going to be found out to be ES this early being sold on eBay.

Or this one, 1800x for $390... hmmm.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:49 am

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ultima_trev wrote:
I would like to point out that i5 7600K is a much better deal than the 7700K if one plans to overclock.

Ugh. Intel Product Segmentation strikes again. This isn't 2004, you don't need "real cores". i3 for gaming, i7 for heavy duty work, i5 is in a wilderness of bad price/performance.

TLDR; HT or you're just throwing money at Intel.


HT has come a long way since Sandy Bridge; The scheduling and prediction is better and software/OS awareness of SMT has improved since then too. Realistically, 4C/4T is going to outperform 2C/4T in every scenario but given the price difference between the i5-7600K and something like the 7350K, the performance delta between them in most scenarios still massively favours the 7350K in performance-per-dollar terms, in stock-clock performance terms, and potentially in max clockspeed terms, thanks to fewer cores that need feeding voltage and cooling.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:24 pm

The mythical $60 2c/4t i3 class CPU does not exist except for rare unicorn sightings at ridiculous prices. Only common place to find it is in cheap OEM PCs, just like how the i7-5775C was only available in NUCs and pre-built PCs.

The $90 G4600 is what is actually offered by Intel to consumers. Its [edit: the G4560] just smoke/fake news.
 
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:04 pm

I'm still undecided on Ryzen 5 - I'm thinking of waiting for reviews to see if I should change my plan of swapping out the i5-4590 with a i7-4790K, i5-7600K, or the R7 1700... well, they're priced differently, so it probably is worth it to get a bigger picture.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:06 pm

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The mythical $60 2c/4t i3 class CPU does not exist except for rare unicorn sightings at ridiculous prices. Only common place to find it is in cheap OEM PCs, just like how the i7-5775C was only available in NUCs and pre-built PCs.

The $90 G4600 is what is actually offered by Intel to consumers. Its [edit: the G4560] just smoke/fake news.


What, you're citing temporary stock issues against a processor that isn't even paper-launched yet?

Until I quickly checked the Egg and Tigerdirect, I wasn't even aware there was a G4560 stock issue in the US - It's readily available everywhere else; your supply chain just sucks because there are 320 million of you and relatively few large etailers per capita.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:08 am

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What, you're citing temporary stock issues against a processor that isn't even paper-launched yet?

It's on the Ark so it's been launched. It's just crazy-hard to come by.

I have a feeling it'll magically become super-available right around the time Ryzen 3 launches.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:53 am

It's definitely launched. I've built two already and have another one on order arriving monday.

It's great for anyone with a dead board and just wants the cheapest sensible option for general purpose.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:48 pm

Although I voted for the 2500k my best current CPU is a 3770k. Felt like the best answer for me.
I am gonna buy a, second hand, 4790k for my Z97 Extreme6, delid and put a custom loop on it. Then clock it as high as I feel it needs to be and be probably good for some more years. Probably gonna skip DDR4 as I did with DDR2. So unless games are gonna demand allot more CPU power I am with DDR3, I do like the nomenclature better than DDR4 also. :lol:
 
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:55 pm

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Although I voted for the 2500k my best current CPU is a 3770k. Felt like the best answer for me.
I am gonna buy a, second hand, 4790k for my Z97 Extreme6, delid and put a custom loop on it. Then clock it as high as I feel it needs to be and be probably good for some more years. Probably gonna skip DDR4 as I did with DDR2. So unless games are gonna demand allot more CPU power I am with DDR3, I do like the nomenclature better than DDR4 also. :lol:


Yes, if you have a lot of DDR3 lying around (like I do, since I've been building socket-2011 systems for years), upgrading to DDR4 just doesn't make sense. I probably have 128GB of DDR3 in various machines.

The only reason I'd get any DDR4 is for a one-off AMD build, since Ryzen looks like a good upgrade for me. DDR3 and older Intel CPUs for everything else until DDR5 comes out.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:02 pm

I'm torn. I'm still on a Bloomfield i7-930 with a GeForce 960GTX 4GB and 12GB of RAM. I've been leaning towards the Ryzen 5 1600X, but it's a hell of a lot easier to swap out a video card than a processor, so I'm wondering if I should jump to the R7 1700X, and either keep the 960 another year or do a 1060 instead of the 1070 I was planning. Monitor is a Dell UltraSharp 2415 (1920x1200 16:10).
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:35 pm

You've gotten your money's worth out of that old Bloomfield processor. It's too bad that you didn't upgrade before DDR4 prices went up by 60+%.

$250 Ryzen R5-1600X has always looked like the best Zen processor for gaming.
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There are great graphics cards available now, but if you can wait another couple of months, AMD's Vega GPUs should shake up the market and bring prices down.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:49 pm

I'd keep that 960 as it's an easy upgrade later down the road. Plus if Vega is worth it you can save for that. I think you'll notice a huge difference in gaming alone just by going to a new CPU you might not even feel the need to upgrade away from the 960 for awhile longer.

For gaming/content creation I'd go 1600x and you really don't need to worry about overclocking it since it will run 4.0 turbo and 3.7 all cores. Not far off of the 3.9-4.0 reported overclocks on Ryzen. It doesnt come with a HSF unfortunately which would be the argument for buying the 1600 as you can OC it to close to the same speeds and use the included Wraith which does very well and should easily sustain a 3.7 or so OC.

I'd skip the 32gb kit and just go 2x8. Kits are cheaper, timings are better, support for higher clocks are probably much more likely on QVL for different boards. Unless you really NEED 32gb now or in the future.

Yeah, time to let ole' Bloomfield out to pasture.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:05 pm

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You've gotten your money's worth out of that old Bloomfield processor. ... There are great graphics cards available now, but if you can wait another couple of months, AMD's Vega GPUs should shake up the market and bring prices down.


Yeah, I built it back in 2010 to play Crysis, but most of my friends are on Xbox and back then we played Modern Warfare 2 and 3 like a religion, so the PC basically became a single-player/League of Legends machine. It didn't get enough use to justify upgrading to any of the more recent Intel generations, but the Xbox One has really been a step down from the Xbox 360 in terms of game quality, so I'm spending less time on it and starting to develop that #PCMasterRace itch again.

I was leaning towards the Ryzen 5, but like I said originally, it's a lot easier to go with a Ryzen 1700X and keep the GTX 960 and then upgrade to either Vega or the 1160/1170 when they're released than go with the 1600X. Then again most of the gaming benchmarks show the 1600X going toe to toe with the 1800X, so who knows... I'm also waiting for Cooler Master to release an AM4 bracket for the D92, which is currently serving well on my Bloomfield.

And 16GB is more than enough for me; I'm so old school I close almost everything out before I launch a game... :roll:
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:55 pm

Yeah definitely don't need to spend $300 on RAM unless you have a very specific use case. I just built a Kaby Lake system with 16gb of 3200 mhz DDR4 that set me back a whole $120 (16-18-18 timing) and that was with zero waiting for a deal..just grabbed whatever was on sale that day.

For the CPU I'm not really sure what to recommend - since you upgrade so infrequently my first thought is go with the R7 since more cores = more likely to be "good enough" five to seven years down the road. Since the 6 cores don't really overclock any better than the 8 cores, it's a pretty straightforward and linear increase in performance. I'd go with the R7 and let that breathe new life into your 960. Then upgrade the GPU in a year or two, whenever you have the cash to spend. All of this assumes that you aren't going to start playing a very GPU-demanding game anytime soon, in which case the R5 plus a 1070 or something may be the better route.
 
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:30 am

I'll just stick with my 4790K, the fact my PC has increasingly becoming just a Youtube/indie game machine makes delaying CPU upgrades even more viable.

I do have my $200 2x16GB DDR4-3200 C16 on standby since Jan this year in case something catastrophic happens to my PC, well before DDR4 prices spiked like crazy like I predicted thanks to Ryzen and DRAM supply cuts.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:20 am

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For the CPU I'm not really sure what to recommend - since you upgrade so infrequently my first thought is go with the R7 since more cores = more likely to be "good enough" five to seven years down the road. Since the 6 cores don't really overclock any better than the 8 cores, it's a pretty straightforward and linear increase in performance. I'd go with the R7 and let that breathe new life into your 960. Then upgrade the GPU in a year or two, whenever you have the cash to spend. All of this assumes that you aren't going to start playing a very GPU-demanding game anytime soon, in which case the R5 plus a 1070 or something may be the better route.


I'm hoping to get back into the PC scene a bit more, so some more frequent minor upgrades every year or so as opposed to dropping $2K every decade or so.

Right now, the only game that's absolutely thrashing my 960GTX beyond its ability to cope is Mass Effect: Andromeda. On "medium" settings at 1920x1200, I hover around 30-40 fps. Using resolution scaling at 900p locks in 60-fps, but makes it look like a blurry mess without the console benefit of being 6-7 feet away from the TV. Titanfall 2, Gears 4, and Crysis 3 all run on "high" and hold near enough to 60-fps that I don't notice frame drops.

I don't plan on overclocking, and it seems like the Ryzen 5 1600X hits higher turbo speeds than the 1700X, so that's a factor (just not sure how much yet).
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:07 am

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I voted the last option but I'm on an FX-8350. I don't wanna discourage anyone from buying a Ryzen setup and I certainly can't speak for anyone but myself but personally I just don't foresee needing more performance because I hardly even play games anymore and I just watch YouTube videos, surf, copy photos here and there, etc.

All of which you can handily do with a smartphone and a Chromecast. Keeping an old electricity hog that generates a ton of heat just because you can does not mean you should.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:26 am

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All of which you can handily do with a smartphone and a Chromecast. Keeping an old electricity hog that generates a ton of heat just because you can does not mean you should.


Do you actually try the solutions you suggest?

A smartphone UI is not at all like a desktop one, and resolution control on the Chromecast is now like non-existent.

It is not "handily". At all.
 
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Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:28 am

Also, I like that he's advocating that ronch pitch a functional PC for environmental/power usage reasons. :lol:
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Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:37 am

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All of which you can handily do with a smartphone and a Chromecast. Keeping an old electricity hog that generates a ton of heat just because you can does not mean you should.


Do you actually try the solutions you suggest?

Of course. I have a Cromecast Ultra connected to my home 65" 4K TV. I was going to build a new HTPC to go with the new TV but, after buying the Chromecast Ultra, realized that a new HTPC would have been a colossal waste of money.
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Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:42 am

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Also, I like that he's advocating that ronch pitch a functional PC for environmental/power usage reasons. :lol:

I'm all about the environment.
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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:00 am

Which is why you throw stuff away and replace it with new every year. :lol:
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Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:01 am

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a new HTPC would have been a colossal waste of money.


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Re: Ryzen 5 - Your Choice?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:20 am

The 1600X seems to be the sweet spot for performance/price. I have a friend that wants to build a new PC. But they want Ubutu Linix rather than windows. Anyone got an opinion about Linux drivers that are currently available for X370 motherboards?
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