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whm1974 wrote:OK after hearing all about AMD and Intel's new "Threadripper" and Core i9 CPUs along with their price tags, I'm beginning to wonder what exactly is a consumer CPU? Don't get wrong, I love having high end hardware but I would have to be making money with it to consider buying what are now considered to be consumer products even if I was filthy rich. The most I'll pay for a CPU is maybe ~400ish with s/h and a nice aftermarket HSF included.
At point do we start to get really silly?
HERETIC wrote:whm1974 wrote:OK after hearing all about AMD and Intel's new "Threadripper" and Core i9 CPUs along with their price tags, I'm beginning to wonder what exactly is a consumer CPU? Don't get wrong, I love having high end hardware but I would have to be making money with it to consider buying what are now considered to be consumer products even if I was filthy rich. The most I'll pay for a CPU is maybe ~400ish with s/h and a nice aftermarket HSF included.
At point do we start to get really silly?
At WHAT point do we get silly?-When you consider here in OZ many pay over $1000 for a "PHONE"(That generally has a shorter lifespan)
Consumerism at it's best.......................................................
liquid_mage wrote:Consumer grade chips are Pentiums, I3, I5, I7, AMD Jaguar, Puma, Ryzen 3/5/7. The reality is the average consumer has no idea. Even people who do some research end up with and I3 maybe an I5, and for most people these CPUs will more than meet their needs. Heck most of my family wont spend more than $500 on a laptop and I will recommend an SSD over anything else. To wrap up I'll say most consumers don't need I7 or Ryzen 7, these are for high end gaming or content creators who aren't dropping $2,400+ on hardware.
Steam shows 45.35% of users have 2 physical cores and 48% have 4 physical cores, and 55% of users have hyper-threading.
Personally $300us is my tops for a CPU, plus 30-50 for an aftermarket cooler.
Losergamer04 wrote:I think AMD would like consumer CPUs to have more cores. I am no chip designer but it seems that they have an easier time cramming more cores that getting more out of a core in a CPU. AMD has been doing this with the FX for years. The down side is threaded programs after more difficult to develop. And, from the little exposure i had in college you usually target a number of threads. Aim for too many and you kill the performance. Aim for to little and you leave a lot on the table.
End User wrote:A consumer product is anything I can buy.
GeForce6200 wrote:I agree with liquid_mage the cap for a consumer CPU today is around $300.
GeForce6200 wrote:I've been shifting my focus from pc hardware to automotive, but I feel at least on the enthusiast end for both we buy more then we need. Granted it's not entirely the same as one requires user input more then the other but we all need faster/newer/better. All the main hardware in my sig has been purchased used and I'm still satisfied with performance. Granted I'm still at 1080. I agree with liquid_mage the cap for a consumer CPU today is around $300. IMO in the workplace I'm limited by screen size and loading times due to mechanical drives. The CPU is a gen 2 or 3 i3.End User wrote:A consumer product is anything I can buy.
I agree to an extent. I would say for the vast majority of products yes. But we can buy tanks, former F1 cars and other odd things never designed for consumer use.
End User wrote:GeForce6200 wrote:I've been shifting my focus from pc hardware to automotive, but I feel at least on the enthusiast end for both we buy more then we need. Granted it's not entirely the same as one requires user input more then the other but we all need faster/newer/better. All the main hardware in my sig has been purchased used and I'm still satisfied with performance. Granted I'm still at 1080. I agree with liquid_mage the cap for a consumer CPU today is around $300. IMO in the workplace I'm limited by screen size and loading times due to mechanical drives. The CPU is a gen 2 or 3 i3.End User wrote:A consumer product is anything I can buy.
I agree to an extent. I would say for the vast majority of products yes. But we can buy tanks, former F1 cars and other odd things never designed for consumer use.
Tanks?!? I though we were talking about CPUs.
End User wrote:A consumer product is anything I can buy.
whm1974 wrote:OK after hearing all about AMD and Intel's new "Threadripper" and Core i9 CPUs along with their price tags, I'm beginning to wonder what exactly is a consumer CPU? Don't get wrong, I love having high end hardware but I would have to be making money with it to consider buying what are now considered to be consumer products even if I was filthy rich. The most I'll pay for a CPU is maybe ~400ish with s/h and a nice aftermarket HSF included.
At point do we start to get really silly?
travbrad wrote:whm1974 wrote:OK after hearing all about AMD and Intel's new "Threadripper" and Core i9 CPUs along with their price tags, I'm beginning to wonder what exactly is a consumer CPU? Don't get wrong, I love having high end hardware but I would have to be making money with it to consider buying what are now considered to be consumer products even if I was filthy rich. The most I'll pay for a CPU is maybe ~400ish with s/h and a nice aftermarket HSF included.
At point do we start to get really silly?
Most people, even enthusiasts, are using CPUs under $400. In fact the absolute best gaming CPU (7700K) in existence tops out at $340ish, and you can get a huge portion of that gaming performance in significantly cheaper CPUs as well. Anything more expensive than that is really aimed at specific power users who need lots of cores/threads for video encoding, photo work, etc
High-end consumer CPUs have always been very expensive and I haven't really noticed a change in that regard. 12 years ago AMD launched the Athlon 64 X2 processors, ranging from $500 to $1000. Almost 20 years ago Pentium II launched at around $700, and Intel had a bunch of those "Extreme Edition" CPUs over the years that were about $1000. If anything CPUs are actually cheaper now considering how much bang you get for your buck, how long they last, and accounting for inflation.
If we are going to complain about prices on hardware getting silly, I'd start with graphics cards not CPUs.
just brew it! wrote:End User wrote:A consumer product is anything I can buy.
That's a useless definition in the general case. You can buy your own datacenter (or a jetliner) if you have enough money. Does that make them consumer products just because there are individuals out there who could afford them?
travbrad wrote:If we are going to complain about prices on hardware getting silly, I'd start with graphics cards not CPUs.
whm1974 wrote:They look pretty stable to me, except the very highest-end 7980 extreme edition equivalents:Graphics cards are an another example where consumer products have gotten really silly.
travbrad wrote:Most people, even enthusiasts, are using CPUs under $400. In fact the absolute best gaming CPU (7700K) in existence tops out at $340ish, and you can get a huge portion of that gaming performance in significantly cheaper CPUs as well. Anything more expensive than that is really aimed at specific power users who need lots of cores/threads for video encoding, photo work, etc
HERETIC wrote:whm1974 wrote:OK after hearing all about AMD and Intel's new "Threadripper" and Core i9 CPUs along with their price tags, I'm beginning to wonder what exactly is a consumer CPU? Don't get wrong, I love having high end hardware but I would have to be making money with it to consider buying what are now considered to be consumer products even if I was filthy rich. The most I'll pay for a CPU is maybe ~400ish with s/h and a nice aftermarket HSF included.
At point do we start to get really silly?
At WHAT point do we get silly?-When you consider here in OZ many pay over $1000 for a "PHONE"(That generally has a shorter lifespan)
Consumerism at it's best.......................................................
End User wrote:HERETIC wrote:whm1974 wrote:OK after hearing all about AMD and Intel's new "Threadripper" and Core i9 CPUs along with their price tags, I'm beginning to wonder what exactly is a consumer CPU? Don't get wrong, I love having high end hardware but I would have to be making money with it to consider buying what are now considered to be consumer products even if I was filthy rich. The most I'll pay for a CPU is maybe ~400ish with s/h and a nice aftermarket HSF included.
At point do we start to get really silly?
At WHAT point do we get silly?-When you consider here in OZ many pay over $1000 for a "PHONE"(That generally has a shorter lifespan)
Consumerism at it's best.......................................................
I paid $1,300 CDN + tax for my phone. Worth every penny. An excellent consumer product.
End User wrote:just brew it! wrote:End User wrote:A consumer product is anything I can buy.
That's a useless definition in the general case. You can buy your own datacenter (or a jetliner) if you have enough money. Does that make them consumer products just because there are individuals out there who could afford them?
It's as useless as the term consumer.
whm1974 wrote:Losergamer04 wrote:I think AMD would like consumer CPUs to have more cores. I am no chip designer but it seems that they have an easier time cramming more cores that getting more out of a core in a CPU. AMD has been doing this with the FX for years. The down side is threaded programs after more difficult to develop. And, from the little exposure i had in college you usually target a number of threads. Aim for too many and you kill the performance. Aim for to little and you leave a lot on the table.
Personally I think that 8 cores/16 threads is just fine for a consumer CPU.
bfg-9000 wrote:travbrad wrote:If we are going to complain about prices on hardware getting silly, I'd start with graphics cards not CPUs.whm1974 wrote:They look pretty stable to me, except the very highest-end 7980 extreme edition equivalents:Graphics cards are an another example where consumer products have gotten really silly.
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End User wrote:travbrad wrote:Most people, even enthusiasts, are using CPUs under $400. In fact the absolute best gaming CPU (7700K) in existence tops out at $340ish, and you can get a huge portion of that gaming performance in significantly cheaper CPUs as well. Anything more expensive than that is really aimed at specific power users who need lots of cores/threads for video encoding, photo work, etc
So "power users" aren't consumers?