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Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:04 am

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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:09 am

I'd be on the lookout for any reseller with the last name of Krzanich.

I'm just sayin...
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:14 am

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I'd be on the lookout for any reseller with the last name of Krzanich.

I'm just sayin...

I wouldn't be buying from a reseller period.
 
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:16 am

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chuckula wrote:
I'd be on the lookout for any reseller with the last name of Krzanich.

I'm just sayin...

I wouldn't be buying from a reseller period.


In that case you won't have to worry about fake chips. These aren't coming from Amazon's official warehouses, it's from shady third-parties with Amazon store fronts.
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:58 am

Quite honestly, I think better than 95% of Amazon shoppers don't notice/realize/understand when they're buying an item sold by a 3rd party.

On multiple occasions I've had friends/co-workers who are prolific Amazon shoppers give me a deer-in-headlights look when I point out that an item is 3rd party and not sold by Amazon themselves.
 
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:03 pm

I'm pretty selective about the third-party sellers I'm willing to order from. If they have few customer reviews, or there are a lot of negative to lukewarm reviews, I stay away. (I'm willing to make exceptions for items which are cheap enough that I'm not going to be upset if it turns out to be a dud.)
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:15 pm

The Egg wrote:
Quite honestly, I think better than 95% of Amazon shoppers don't notice/realize/understand when they're buying an item sold by a 3rd party.

On multiple occasions I've had friends/co-workers who are prolific Amazon shoppers give me a deer-in-headlights look when I point out that an item is 3rd party and not sold by Amazon themselves.

I did that by mistake once on Amazon due to not paying attention. Now I do when I order from Amazon or Newegg.
 
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:00 pm

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Quite honestly, I think better than 95% of Amazon shoppers don't notice/realize/understand when they're buying an item sold by a 3rd party.


When practically everything seems to be fulfilled and shipped by Amazon despite being from a third party seller, people really don't see a huge difference anymore. This article makes it sound like someone duped Amazon into shipping out fake stock, though I'm not entirely sure.

And yes, I made that mistake myself when Newegg first began using third party sellers. Got scammed for it too, the $8 cheap knockoff was sent inside the clamshell packaging for the $30 item I'd ordered. The labeling was very similar for both but having read up on both products I recognized it.
 
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:22 pm

Actually I think Intel is behind this. Not sure if they are overstating the performance of their Celeron line or taking a jab at Ryzen's performance. Either way the message is clear: You've been Celeroned.
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:43 pm

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Actually I think Intel is behind this. Not sure if they are overstating the performance of their Celeron line or taking a jab at Ryzen's performance. Either way the message is clear: You've been Celeroned.


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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:58 pm

Or perhaps Intel decided to clone AMD chips and made them work with their own socket.

Payback time!
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:26 pm

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Or perhaps Intel decided to clone AMD chips and made them work with their own socket.

Payback time!


They already tried that with x64. Which was how AMD won free x86 licensing. :lol:

But who knows. As the server parts grow ever fatter in core counts and the topologies to make all the cores work together efficiently grow more complex, maybe one of them will see another idea to poach.
 
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:31 pm

Nah, I'm talking about Intel cloning the entire Ryzen chip except the bus interface (DMI).

"Take that, AMD! Don't be cloning our 386 and 486 chips again!!"
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:52 pm

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Quite honestly, I think better than 95% of Amazon shoppers don't notice/realize/understand when they're buying an item sold by a 3rd party.

On multiple occasions I've had friends/co-workers who are prolific Amazon shoppers give me a deer-in-headlights look when I point out that an item is 3rd party and not sold by Amazon themselves.


The first thing i do is check the prime only shipping filter, that weeds out most of the junk. Then i just make sure it's at least "fulfilled by amazon". I figured that perhaps if they're shipping it themselves they maybe vet it a little. Of course i always go for sold by amazon first even if there's a pretty big price difference.
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:21 pm

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The first thing i do is check the prime only shipping filter, that weeds out most of the junk. Then i just make sure it's at least "fulfilled by amazon". I figured that perhaps if they're shipping it themselves they maybe vet it a little. Of course i always go for sold by amazon first even if there's a pretty big price difference.

Most of the non-fulfulled-by-Amazon 3rd party stuff I order is out-of-print and/or used music CDs, so generally under $20. Other than the occasional cracked jewel case, I haven't had a problem. And I've had cracked cases happen even with new CDs sold directly by Amazon... the quality of the cases seems to have gone massively downhill as digital downloads has taken over, and they seem to crack if you so much as look at 'em wrong.
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:11 am

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Heiwashin wrote:
The first thing i do is check the prime only shipping filter, that weeds out most of the junk. Then i just make sure it's at least "fulfilled by amazon". I figured that perhaps if they're shipping it themselves they maybe vet it a little. Of course i always go for sold by amazon first even if there's a pretty big price difference.

Most of the non-fulfulled-by-Amazon 3rd party stuff I order is out-of-print and/or used music CDs, so generally under $20. Other than the occasional cracked jewel case, I haven't had a problem. And I've had cracked cases happen even with new CDs sold directly by Amazon... the quality of the cases seems to have gone massively downhill as digital downloads has taken over, and they seem to crack if you so much as look at 'em wrong.

People still buy CDs? I thought that folks quit buying those once portable audio devices that can playback MP3 and newer codecs become affordable.
 
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:44 am

Oh yes, but purely for reference and research purposes you know.......(nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!) :wink:
 
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:52 am

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People still buy CDs? I thought that folks quit buying those once portable audio devices that can playback MP3 and newer codecs become affordable.

1. Most music is still not available as a lossless download at reasonable prices.

2. Physical CDs often come with extras (e.g. booklet with lyrics & other info).

3. Strange as it may seem (it certainly seems a bit odd to me), having a physical CD shipped to my house is often cheaper than the digital download.

I would guesstimate that my music purchases are around 70/30 physical media to digital downloads these days. If digital downloads were lossless, included the same info/artwork as the physical package (e.g. in PDF form), and cost the same or less than the physical media, that ratio would probably be approximately reversed.
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:53 am

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1. Most music is still not available as a lossless download at reasonable prices.


If the artists are still producing give them an email or hit their twitter. Seems silly I know but just sending a quick note or tweet to two groups I like got them to give lossless a try with their most recent albums. One of them had even tweeted back they didn't see a reason to, but a week later apparently changed their minds and tweeted back a link to 7digital :lol:

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3. Strange as it may seem (it certainly seems a bit odd to me), having a physical CD shipped to my house is often cheaper than the digital download.


Oh, that triggers me so much with books. Cost of manufacturing and printing a paperback is large chunk of a book's price, while a CD is a buck or two tops. Yet the price savings for buying an ebook is still just a couple dollars off at most even if it's against the hardback edition. What a racket.
 
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:16 am

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just brew it! wrote:
1. Most music is still not available as a lossless download at reasonable prices.

If the artists are still producing give them an email or hit their twitter. Seems silly I know but just sending a quick note or tweet to two groups I like got them to give lossless a try with their most recent albums. One of them had even tweeted back they didn't see a reason to, but a week later apparently changed their minds and tweeted back a link to 7digital :lol:

A lot of indie labels and self-distributed artists are already on Bandcamp, which offers FLAC downloads at reasonable prices. I doubt we'll see lossless downloads of major-label titles at reasonable prices any time soon though.

HDtracks offers lossless downloads of many major label albums, but they're typically priced around $20. They're HD (96/24)... so they figure they can charge a premium over what a CD costs.

What I'd really like to see is CD quality downloads, for the price of a CD (or slightly less).
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:00 pm

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the quality of the cases seems to have gone massively downhill as digital downloads has taken over, and they seem to crack if you so much as look at 'em wrong.

Not to mention them cutting corners to save on shipping (granted I did not pay any so I am contributing to the problem), they now just use padded envelopes and in the harsh environments known as the USPS delivery pipeline (UPS are also known for throwing boxes around too) which cracked my latest physical CD purchase too. :-?
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:13 pm

Convert wrote:
Actually I think Intel is behind this. Not sure if they are overstating the performance of their Celeron line or taking a jab at Ryzen's performance. Either way the message is clear: You've been Celeroned.

Would have been so much better if you'd spelled it "Celerowned..."
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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:30 pm

Heh. It's PolyStation 3 and Robert Cop 2 all over again

EDIT: Well, looks like the board hates Imgur. I'll have to post them elsewhere. :-?


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Re: Fake Ryzen chips

Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:26 pm

Doctor Venture wrote:
EDIT: Well, looks like the board hates Imgur. I'll have to post them elsewhere. :-?

Nah. What it hates is that weird URL that Imgur creates. Once you upload an image, wait a few seconds for the server backend to finish processing it, then right-click on the image and select "Open in a new tab/window...". If you get the bare image with an Imgur URL that ends in a filetype extension (.jpg, png, whatever format you uploaded), you can then embed it here using the IMG tags.
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