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Waco wrote:Do many people not use their NAS for a media server? Perhaps that's the main distinction, I consistently serve up 3-5 transcoding sessions at a time on busy nights. I share the access with family and friends, so it's pretty much consistently busy. A single 4K BluRay transcode will choke the server, even locally, with one stream. 4 cores / 8 threads of reasonably clocked Haswell Xeon just isn't enough.
Still, I was hoping AMD would buck their Fiji trend and send TR a TR.
derFunkenstein wrote:Y'know, with AMD marketing this thing to gamers, I think they're afraid TR is going to publish a bunch of frame time graphs that don't look very pretty because data is going to be bouncing between dies. More "Windows scheduler" fixes and custom power profiles inbound?
chuckula wrote:What's funny is that the excuses for why a site like TR didn't get a review sample is that TR is just a "stupid gamers website" and Threadripper is "too advanced" for the rabble here. [Incidentally, I think that's complete Bravo Sierra since TR runs some very interesting professional-grade tests, I'm just talking about the perception.]
You can see some of that sentiment over at Anandtech in their OMG unboxing story.
derFunkenstein wrote:I think there might be a general impression that TR readers dislike the AMD processor and video platforms. AMD's marketers rightly or wrongly want sites that will be delerious with happiness at the awesomeness of their products. Not a review that will show once again in graph after graph that the new offering is slower than an Intel/Nvidia offering that costs somewhere between half again and ten times as much. The signal that effectively comes out of TR reviews and primarily comments sections are overall disparaging of AMD's kit. Maybe its faster but oh it uses too much power. Maybe its lower power but oh its too slow. Maybe it has a lot of threads but who needs that many? Maybe its got SMT but oh Intel invented it first.Y'know, with AMD marketing this thing to gamers, I think they're afraid TR is going to publish a bunch of frame time graphs that don't look very pretty because data is going to be bouncing between dies. More "Windows scheduler" fixes and custom power profiles inbound?
chuckula wrote:You can see some of that sentiment over at Anandtech in their OMG unboxing story.
Mr Bill wrote:I think there might be a general impression that TR readers dislike the AMD processor and video platforms.
Mr Bill wrote:derFunkenstein wrote:I think there might be a general impression that TR readers dislike the AMD processor and video platforms. AMD's marketers rightly or wrongly want sites that will be delerious with happiness at the awesomeness of their products. Not a review that will show once again in graph after graph that the new offering is slower than an Intel/Nvidia offering that costs somewhere between half again and ten times as much. The signal that effectively comes out of TR reviews and primarily comments sections are overall disparaging of AMD's kit. Maybe its faster but oh it uses too much power. Maybe its lower power but oh its too slow. Maybe it has a lot of threads but who needs that many? Maybe its got SMT but oh Intel invented it first.Y'know, with AMD marketing this thing to gamers, I think they're afraid TR is going to publish a bunch of frame time graphs that don't look very pretty because data is going to be bouncing between dies. More "Windows scheduler" fixes and custom power profiles inbound?
derFunkenstein wrote:I'm not saying I agree with any of this bad will. I'm a huge fan of TechReport and I think most of us mean well even as we argue every pro and con.So your theory is that AMD uses this supposed bad will as a reason to not send stuff to TR. And that, in turn, causes more bad will.
Hiding in an echo chamber and only dealing with people that will sing your praises no matter what is no way to market stuff.
Glorious wrote:Proves my point and I love TR's reviews. It would be nice if AMD realized we have folks like Waco and maybe others who make IT decisions who are honestly looking for reasons to pick up a Threadripper.Mr Bill wrote:I think there might be a general impression that TR readers dislike the AMD processor and video platforms.
Come on.
They gave all the video reviewers ones because those guys aren't going to do anything but promote the product and on a very flimsy technical basis.
There's only one reason why AMD wouldn't give TR a sample, and that's because the review might reveal some of the trade-offs, weaknesses, and problems in a way that's contrary to AMD's marketing direction.
They can get away with not giving TR a sample, and so they didn't.
derFunkenstein wrote:If I had the cash this year, I would have been right there with you. The environmental lab business is really cutthroat right now and I am scrapping the bottom.I admit to being kind of negative, considering I spent my own money and bought a Ryzen system early and had no shortage of early teething problems. It's smoothed out over time but I still have a love-hate kind fo relationship with my PC.
Mr Bill wrote:Proves my point and I love TR's reviews. It would be nice if AMD realized we have folks like Waco and maybe others who make IT decisions who are honestly looking for reasons to pick up a Threadripper.
Mr Bill wrote:Proves my point and I love TR's reviews
Mr Bill wrote:It would be nice if AMD realized we have folks like Waco and maybe others who make IT decisions who are honestly looking for reasons to pick up a Threadripper.
Glorious wrote:My entire point is that AMD *did* realize that, and hence TR didn't get one.
Waco wrote:I really hope that is not the case.
Glorious wrote:There's only one reason why AMD wouldn't give TR a sample, and that's because the review might reveal some of the trade-offs, weaknesses, and problems in a way that's contrary to AMD's marketing direction.
Convert wrote:We seem to ignore there are other sties out there that are just as good as TR. Sometimes they are even better in certain aspects, like review timeliness, range of products covered or amount of tests performed.
To say TR didn't get a review because we'd expose the product is ignorant of the fact that another website, like Anand, is going to do the same thing and yet they got a sample.
Glorious wrote:They can get away with not giving TR a sample, and so they didn't.
Glorious wrote:I don't think they can get away with not giving Anandtech a sample, Anandtech is way bigger than TR.
Glorious wrote:I'm just saying they didn't overlook TR because TR "dislikes" them or because TR "Disparages" them.
defaultluser wrote:But Kyle Bennettt still thinks AMD owns Tech Report. He will happily mention this any time this site is mentioned on Hardforum.
chuckula wrote:Who messed with my awesomely overly-abbreviated-for-intentional confusion headline!?!!?
Topinio wrote:Transcoding, media service, and file service: not the same boxes. (NAS is a Celery with ECC RAM.)