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As I type this the reviews haven't gone live, but as they come in feel free to post links.

Edit: Incidentally both the 1950X and 1920X are on-sale at Newegg even though reviews aren't live yet

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... -_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... -_-Product

Funny (or maybe ominous) how Newegg has them listed at full retail price but then says "Sale ends in 7 days!"

What a tease.

That's not a tease...

The Buffalo rides again!

Is that what you think is happening in that picture?

The question is whom the buffalo represents...

drfish wrote:

Is that what you think is happening in that picture?

The question is whom the buffalo represents...

You after eating too many ribs and drinking too much beer at the BBQ?

Heh, I had a different gerbil in mind when I took the picture... ...but no further hints about what it may mean today.

drfish wrote:

Heh, I had a different gerbil in mind when I took the picture... ...but no further hints about what it may mean today.

Oh you mean poor Kampman who probably hasn't slept since Tuesday? I feel for him too!

What time does the NDA lift?

9am EST

OMG TEN MINUTES

PCPer: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processor ... 20X-Review

TR "sneak peek" (because Jeff got handicapped by AMD's marketing team): http://techreport.com/news/32377/here-a ... er-results

PC World (warning: auto-playing video): http://www.pcworld.com/article/3214635/ ... r-cpu.html

derFunkenstein wrote:

PCPer: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processor ... 20X-Review

TR "sneak peek" (because Jeff got handicapped by AMD's marketing team): http://techreport.com/news/32377/here-a ... er-results

PC World (warning: auto-playing video): http://www.pcworld.com/article/3214635/ ... r-cpu.html

One interesting thing from the PC Perpsective review is that TR pulls plenty of power when "overclocked" to 4 GHz so the high power consumption issue is clearly not limited to Skylake X.

Well of course not, and it's stupid to think otherwise. Take whatever your typical Ryzen 7 system draws when OC'd on all cores and double it. My particular setup draws around 175W from the wall when OC'd to 3.9GHz running Prime 95, compared to 49W at idle. If my CPU is drawing 125W overclocked, Threadripper should likely draw 250. My PSU is an EVGA G2 650W, which is an 80-Plus Gold model. It's not drawing 125 extra watts, but it's probably drawing 115-120 all on its own.

edit: whoa, X399 boards are expensive. I expected that, but I wasn't quite prepared for exact price parity with Intel-based boards. $340 for the cheapest one in this PCWorld post. Worse yet, it's an ASRock board, and ASRock was pretty shaky out of the gate on AM4 - the X370 boards couldn't overclock at launch, for example. Hope their firmware is better here.

I see TomsHardware is trying to use 99th percentile and scatter plots. Cute. Keep working on it.

DPete27 wrote:

I see TomsHardware is trying to use 99th percentile and scatter plots. Cute. Keep working on it.

YOU CAN DO IT!!

derFunkenstein wrote:

Well of course not, and it's stupid to think otherwise. Take whatever your typical Ryzen 7 system draws when OC'd on all cores and double it. My particular setup draws around 175W from the wall when OC'd to 3.9GHz running Prime 95, compared to 49W at idle. If my CPU is drawing 125W overclocked, Threadripper should likely draw 250. My PSU is an EVGA G2 650W, which is an 80-Plus Gold model. It's not drawing 125 extra watts, but it's probably drawing 115-120 all on its own.

edit: whoa, X399 boards are expensive. I expected that, but I wasn't quite prepared for exact price parity with Intel-based boards. $340 for the cheapest one in this PCWorld post. Worse yet, it's an ASRock board, and ASRock was pretty shaky out of the gate on AM4 - the X370 boards couldn't overclock at launch, for example. Hope their firmware is better here.

One thing you have to remember is that x299 boards aren't merely expensive because OMG INTEL EVIL OVERPRICING. They're really expensive because they are by definition large complex motherboards that also have limited volumes [meaning negative economies of scale] since HEDT is not a huge market.

Now look at ThreadRipper motherboards:
1. Even Larger socket (like twice as large).
2. More PCIe lanes to wire up.
3. For all the enthusiasm about ThreadRipper, it's going to be some fraction of the already smaller HEDT market in the first place.

chuckula wrote:

DPete27 wrote:

I see TomsHardware is trying to use 99th percentile and scatter plots. Cute. Keep working on it.

YOU CAN DO IT!!

Reminds me of when I made this gif...

chuckula wrote:

One thing you have to remember is that x299 boards aren't merely expensive because OMG INTEL EVIL OVERPRICING. They're really expensive because they are by definition large complex motherboards that also have limited volumes [meaning negative economies of scale] since HEDT is not a huge market.

Now look at ThreadRipper motherboards:
1. Even Larger socket (like twice as large).
2. More PCIe lanes to wire up.
3. For all the enthusiasm about ThreadRipper, it's going to be some fraction of the already smaller HEDT market in the first place.

It probably shouldn't have caught me off-guard because none of those X399 boards are cut-down bare-bones models. Even the ASRock board is their top-end board. Other Threadripper boards will (be forced to) undercut X299 stuff.

THG isn't the best for everything but their power-consumption measurements are very detailed:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd ... 67-14.html

Interestly notes are that even in the Prime 95 torture test the 7900X @ 4.5GHz is still drawing somewhat less power than the 1950X overclocked to 3.9 GHz.

There are other numbers in there too but Prime95 is interesting since even with only 10 cores the 7900X is doing a hell of lot more work in that workload compared to the ThreadRipper.

In gaming workloads and workloads that don't nuke all the cores like Autocad the 7900X at stock speeds is actually drawing less power than the 1950X even though those benchmarks aren't railing all the cores.

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just brew it! wrote:

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Well this here's a story all about how my market got flipped turned upside down.

OK who's here is going to buy or build a Threadripper system? And what are you going to use 16c/32t and 60 PCIe lanes for?

For my current use case it makes no sense. If I start doing some consulting on the side again, it might. Having something that can make quick work of large compilation jobs can be quite the productivity booster.

just brew it! wrote:

For my current use case it makes no sense. If I start doing some consulting on the side again, it might. Having something that can make quick work of large compilation jobs can be quite the productivity booster.

Yeah I think it's a little strange that AMD is calling this a consumer product when the vast majority of folks can't even make use of this product.

whm1974 wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

For my current use case it makes no sense. If I start doing some consulting on the side again, it might. Having something that can make quick work of large compilation jobs can be quite the productivity booster.

Yeah I think it's a little strange that AMD is calling this a consumer product when the vast majority of folks can't even make use of this product.

I've always thought of HEDT as straddling the line between consumer and enterprise products. In fact, we have a name for that sort of thing: "prosumer". So basically for people who are self-employed and make money off of their PC in a pro or semi-pro capacity, and people with more money than sense.

Also keep in mind that anyone who can claim their PC as a business expense on their US tax return effectively gets a discount, since they can pay with pre-tax dollars. That would be part of my justification, if I got one to use for software contract work.

just brew it! wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

For my current use case it makes no sense. If I start doing some consulting on the side again, it might. Having something that can make quick work of large compilation jobs can be quite the productivity booster.

Yeah I think it's a little strange that AMD is calling this a consumer product when the vast majority of folks can't even make use of this product.

I've always thought of HEDT as straddling the line between consumer and enterprise products. In fact, we have a name for that sort of thing: "prosumer". So basically for people who are self-employed and make money off of their PC in a pro or semi-pro capacity, and people with more money than sense.

Also keep in mind that anyone who can claim their PC as a business expense on their US tax return effectively gets a discount, since they can pay with pre-tax dollars. That would be part of my justification, if I got one to use for software contract work.

Well if you can use it to make money then go for it.

just brew it! wrote:

more money than sense.

Not really, but if my i7-960 hadn't gone bang 14 months ago I would've been deciding between Xeon E3-1270 v6, E3-1280 v6, Ryzen 7 1700X, Ryzen 7 1800X, or Ryzen Threadripper 1900X. And chances are that a Ryzen would be chosen.

Topinio wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

more money than sense.

Not really, but if my i7-960 hadn't gone bang 14 months ago I would've been deciding between Xeon E3-1270 v6, E3-1280 v6, Ryzen 7 1700X, Ryzen 7 1800X, or Ryzen Threadripper 1900X. And chances are that a Ryzen would be chosen.

But do you have a justification for those? If it is "just because I can" or "I want a bigger e-peen", then you would have been squarely in this category. Otherwise, if there is a logical reason(s) behind your choice, then you are in the "prosumer" group.

minor nitpick:

Flying Fox wrote:

But do you have a justification for those? If it is "just because I can" or "I want a bigger e-peen", then you would have been squarely in this category. Otherwise, if there is a logical reason(s) behind your choice, then you are in the "prosumer" group.

The more dollars than sense clan goes in the "sumer" part. The logical reason folks go in the "pro".