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Kougar wrote:Why would you buy from them if you are going to keep it at stock anyway? Keep in mind the 7700K runs at 4.2Ghz by default, it is the 7700 that defaults to 3.6Ghz.
Speaking for longevity's sake having them replace the TIM means you may have to re-replace it yourself down the road depending on how long the stuff they use lasts. Also if the TIM "seal" gets broken by the IHS shifting or something, I dunno how they address those concerns. Intel's TIM may not give the best performance but I would sure expect it to last the longest for not drying out or degrading, since it isn't intended to be user replaceable.
Kougar wrote:Why would you buy from them if you are going to keep it at stock anyway?
blahsaysblah wrote:I just delidded i7-7700(no-k). My experience matches up whats on better parts of web.
The TIM already inside CPU is pretty good. What improvement you will see is due to fact that when you use your own sealant to secure IHS, it will lower it/bring closer to CPU. You wont see big jump unless you go to liquid metal from TIM side.
I didnt get much improvement with Noctua NT-H1. Not worth it to delid with regular TIM.
So I switched to Grizzly Conductonaut(Silicon Lottery uses it now), lowered temps by at around 14C during long/heavy workloads. 61C versus 75C. That is with absolute wimpy Noctua NH-L9i cooler with stock 14mm fan.
I think if its one time thing or you want to guarantee higher bin, go Silicon Lottery. Their 1 year warranty should be more than enough to catch any real issues. They've been around long time, haven't used, but absolutely would use from what I've read.
I did it myself because the current delid tool can do all the 115x CPUs. So except for getting guaranteed higher hertz part, it loses value if you can do two or more of your own/family CPUs.
It was absolutely easy.
Things to make trivial:
- get Artic Silver cleaning kit, that first solution that lifts/dissolves TIM is miles easier than paper towel/alcohol wipe and just a litte bit better(which matters for liquid metal application).
- get 20 gauge 1/2" needle tip and a small syringe to dispense the silicone sealant. They get solidified after storage, so get multiple tips. 18 gauge was pretty good on NT-H1 syringe for easier dispensing(only need one). I got a bunch of 18s, next time id get 20 for inside CPU regular TIM/sealant. The liquid metals now come with needle bit anyway. Noctua always came in syringe, just get needle bit yourself. I say NT-H1, but MX-4 seems to be as prevalent TIM for outside CPU. (and used by SL).
Doctor Venture wrote:How "easy" would it be, for an admitted clutz like myself to delid a Kaby Lake, and follow your instructions? Basically, that temp differential is what had me concerned with just buying a boxed KL, since folks early on were claiming that even higher end cooling systems didn't make as much of a difference as deliding it first.
just brew it! wrote:If you are not planning to overclock, you are WAAAY over-thinking this. Just buy a stock chip and use it as-is.
Flying Fox wrote:just brew it! wrote:If you are not planning to overclock, you are WAAAY over-thinking this. Just buy a stock chip and use it as-is.
Unless his "normal" use case is all about running AVX2 code all day.
just brew it! wrote:If you are not planning to overclock, you are WAAAY over-thinking this. Just buy a stock chip and use it as-is.
bfg-9000 wrote:While I'd rather have the CPU run hotter than all those other things, I can think of one reason it can be better to suck rather than blow.
It makes it really easy to dust the radiators because you could even vacuum them from outside the case, without even having to open it up.
just brew it! wrote:Yeah, reversing the radiators should reduce CPU/GPU temps a bit, but will probably make everything else (RAM, chipset, VRMs, storage devices...) run hotter by raising the air temp inside the case. Again, unless you're planning to OC or otherwise push the CPU really hard (100% load 24x7), I don't see the point.
Waco wrote:You can run your CPU at throttling temps day in and day out at 100% load for years...it's not going to die.
Doctor Venture wrote:Then again, a buddy of mine I work remotely with, were roundly mocking this case: It;s fugly enough, but is that double-helix resevoir actually supporsed to do ANYTHING:!:
Doctor Venture wrote:Waco wrote:You can run your CPU at throttling temps day in and day out at 100% load for years...it's not going to die.
Well, yeah. My Sandy Bridge has been doing just that for the last 6 years. The difference, is that the IHS is sealed on tighter, and my Sandy Bridge uses solder, not the cheap TIM they switched to with Ivy Bridge.
Redocbew wrote:Doctor Venture wrote:Then again, a buddy of mine I work remotely with, were roundly mocking this case: It;s fugly enough, but is that double-helix resevoir actually supporsed to do ANYTHING:!:
Reservoirs in general don't really do anything at least as far as temperatures are concerned. They just make it a bit easier to fill and bleed the loop. If there's no fillport or other kind of easy access to that double-helix thing, then I wouldn't even call it a reservoir, but just some decorative tubing built into the case.
Doctor Venture wrote:Okay, then. Since you feel strongly about sticking with a stock speed Kaby Lake, how about this?
So how does this sound? If that stock, non-,modified KL dies in 8 months without myself or anyone I know touching the PC, you would owe me a new KL., Sound like plan?