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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:55 am

I have an i5-4430 in my Plex server and it just manages to decode H.265 1080p content. It just gets an occasional rest from being maxed out every few seconds but it is consistent.
 
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:10 pm

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As for actual reliability, I've had those 4TB drives in service for almost 2 years now with no failures of any kind. I'm beyond impressed with Toshiba. At this point I only recommend HGST and Toshiba when someone asks me for a storage recommendation. Seagate can pound sand for all I care and WD is usually over-priced.

my 2 cents

Anecdotes are fun. :) Seagate almost always ends up in nearly the same AFR categories as Toshiba and HGST/WD. There was a bad run here and there, but that happens to every company occasionally.
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:38 pm

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techguy wrote:
As for actual reliability, I've had those 4TB drives in service for almost 2 years now with no failures of any kind. I'm beyond impressed with Toshiba. At this point I only recommend HGST and Toshiba when someone asks me for a storage recommendation. Seagate can pound sand for all I care and WD is usually over-priced.

my 2 cents

Anecdotes are fun. :) Seagate almost always ends up in nearly the same AFR categories as Toshiba and HGST/WD. There was a bad run here and there, but that happens to every company occasionally.


Yeah, about that...

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-dri ... s-q3-2017/
 
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:58 pm

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I'm not sure what you thought you were posting, but that backs up my assertion.
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:02 am

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techguy wrote:

I'm not sure what you thought you were posting, but that backs up my assertion.


2 Seagate drives on that list with failure rates > 10%. Zero from any other vendor.
 
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:30 am

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Ah. Those X300's aren't NAS drives so they are cheap.

NAS drives are overrated, IMO. Unless you're sticking them in something you intend to call support for (where the qualified drive list may get you into trouble if you deviate) I wouldn't spend the extra cash.

It is tempting to go cheap.

I'm at a crossroads now. My current NAS setup is 5 years old and I am running out of space. It is going to be pricey if I stick with NAS rated replacement drives (8 or 10 TB). I must ponder further.
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:36 am

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techguy wrote:
Storage is cheap. I have 56TB in my Plex server.

What is your setup?


10x 4TB Toshiba X300 drives + 1x 8TB Toshiba N300 + 1x 8TB HGST Deskstar NAS drive = 56TB (not using RAID, separate external 8TB disks for backup)
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I have room for one more 3-drive caddy if I downgrade my PSU to a smaller unit which brings the chassis up to 15 drive capacity. I'll probably do this in the next 3-6 months.

OS?
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:05 am

techguy wrote:
Waco wrote:
techguy wrote:

I'm not sure what you thought you were posting, but that backs up my assertion.


2 Seagate drives on that list with failure rates > 10%. Zero from any other vendor.

Yeah, with super low quantities and low confidence.

You'll note that they're generally all 3% or less with few exceptions.
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:51 am

Honestly your best bet is to use a client that can decode HEVC, they are under $100 not to mention the power savings. I use a WebOS app that can Direct Play HEVC, otherwise I'd look into Roku, Odroid, or Rock64.
 
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:47 am

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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:59 am

I have Plex running in FreeNAS in a ESXi box. It's not that bad. The CPU's are the low-power Xeon 6-cores, 12-Threads from years ago. I have a 8 "cores" assigned and unlimited resources (10% system wide reserved for the router, though). I can transcode 2-3 streams at once, enough to transcode while recording an entire HD Homerun Prime. With a bit more core assigned I think it could handle H.265. About the power, yes, it's a lot.

If I could do it again I'd go with a Ryzen and a GPU for transcoding. Neither were an option a year and a half ago when I started down this path.
 
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:04 am

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techguy wrote:
End User wrote:
What is your setup?


10x 4TB Toshiba X300 drives + 1x 8TB Toshiba N300 + 1x 8TB HGST Deskstar NAS drive = 56TB (not using RAID, separate external 8TB disks for backup)
i9 7900x @ stock under custom water (3x120 + 1x140mm rads)
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32GB DDR4 3000 (4x8)
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PC Power & Cooling Silencer III 1200W

I have room for one more 3-drive caddy if I downgrade my PSU to a smaller unit which brings the chassis up to 15 drive capacity. I'll probably do this in the next 3-6 months.

OS?


Win 10 Pro. It's just a Plex server/media workstation. I don't need a server O.S. for that and with the editing work I do I might as well just stick to Windows.
 
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:05 am

Waco wrote:
techguy wrote:
Waco wrote:
I'm not sure what you thought you were posting, but that backs up my assertion.


2 Seagate drives on that list with failure rates > 10%. Zero from any other vendor.

Yeah, with super low quantities and low confidence.

You'll note that they're generally all 3% or less with few exceptions.


Toshiba and HGST drives are in the < 1% failure rate range, so even 3% looks not so great.

Buy whatever drives you like, I'll stick to Toshiba and HGST.
 
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:27 am

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Toshiba and HGST drives are in the < 1% failure rate range, so even 3% looks not so great.

Buy whatever drives you like, I'll stick to Toshiba and HGST.

I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying if you even remotely protect your data in a reasonable way the AFR doesn't matter at all when they're all so low. :P

You'll note that the vast majority of drives that Backblaze owns, even after the 3 TB drive fiasco, are Seagate.
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:36 pm

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techguy wrote:
Toshiba and HGST drives are in the < 1% failure rate range, so even 3% looks not so great.

Buy whatever drives you like, I'll stick to Toshiba and HGST.

I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying if you even remotely protect your data in a reasonable way the AFR doesn't matter at all when they're all so low. :P

You'll note that the vast majority of drives that Backblaze owns, even after the 3 TB drive fiasco, are Seagate.


I backup all my media to external 8TB drives.

I imagine Seagate has fairly aggressive pricing in light of past events. Many CIOs care about price first and all else second, in my experience. Not surprised to see Seagate's marketshare hasn't dried up despite their reliability issues over the years. It's not just 3TB drives they had issues with, that's just the most recent example. 7200.9 and 7200.11 drives suffered extremely high failure rates as well.
 
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:14 pm

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Many CIOs care about price first and all else second, in my experience.

Many CIOs are pretty bad at making decisions about storage technology. :)
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:24 pm

I've got ten Hitachi desktop drives in my Plex box, ten 2TB of various sizes in my FreeNAS, and nice certified 15K 450s in my ESXi machine. All are about the same reliability. Only the warranty speed matters. That's why my Hitachi setup has a cold spare. On disk fail, replace with spare, begin resilver, begin RMA. I'll have a week or two of no-spare, less than a day of single parity (RAIDZ2 ~= RAID6 ~= RAID5 with a second parity setup), and nearly zero downtime.

11 desktop disks plus warranty extensions cost me about 1800$.
10 WD Red disks, same size, was 2650$. No brainer call.

You don't need Enterprise support for your home lab. You don't need five nines. You need Good Enough, and for almost all uses, that means desktop drives in a big raid array is a non-issue.

As for OP; don't play with h265 yet. Add more storage and keep the complexity (and brittleness) of the system low. All my UHD movies are in h265, since the source is h265, but otherwise all my collection is h264, and for good reason. Getting h264 hardware encode and decode working is easy, really easy. Getting hardware h265 support is really, really hard. You'll also want hardware encode *AND* decode for best results, and that's all but unreachable. Hint: NVENC's h265 output is really, really subpar. Watchable for sure, but won't save much space.
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Re: H.265 decode requirements with Plex

Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:01 pm

And the nice thing about Plex for movie rips, is if you lose a percentage of them them, big whoop. Just re-rip them.

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