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techguy wrote:As for actual reliability, I've had those 4TB drives in service for almost 2 years now with no failures of any kind. I'm beyond impressed with Toshiba. At this point I only recommend HGST and Toshiba when someone asks me for a storage recommendation. Seagate can pound sand for all I care and WD is usually over-priced.
my 2 cents
Waco wrote:techguy wrote:As for actual reliability, I've had those 4TB drives in service for almost 2 years now with no failures of any kind. I'm beyond impressed with Toshiba. At this point I only recommend HGST and Toshiba when someone asks me for a storage recommendation. Seagate can pound sand for all I care and WD is usually over-priced.
my 2 cents
Anecdotes are fun. Seagate almost always ends up in nearly the same AFR categories as Toshiba and HGST/WD. There was a bad run here and there, but that happens to every company occasionally.
techguy wrote:
Waco wrote:techguy wrote:
I'm not sure what you thought you were posting, but that backs up my assertion.
Waco wrote:End User wrote:Ah. Those X300's aren't NAS drives so they are cheap.
NAS drives are overrated, IMO. Unless you're sticking them in something you intend to call support for (where the qualified drive list may get you into trouble if you deviate) I wouldn't spend the extra cash.
techguy wrote:End User wrote:techguy wrote:Storage is cheap. I have 56TB in my Plex server.
What is your setup?
10x 4TB Toshiba X300 drives + 1x 8TB Toshiba N300 + 1x 8TB HGST Deskstar NAS drive = 56TB (not using RAID, separate external 8TB disks for backup)
i9 7900x @ stock under custom water (3x120 + 1x140mm rads)
Asrock X299 Professional Gaming i9 (integrated 10G NIC)
32GB DDR4 3000 (4x8)
Corsair 900D
PC Power & Cooling Silencer III 1200W
I have room for one more 3-drive caddy if I downgrade my PSU to a smaller unit which brings the chassis up to 15 drive capacity. I'll probably do this in the next 3-6 months.
techguy wrote:Waco wrote:techguy wrote:
I'm not sure what you thought you were posting, but that backs up my assertion.
2 Seagate drives on that list with failure rates > 10%. Zero from any other vendor.
End User wrote:techguy wrote:End User wrote:What is your setup?
10x 4TB Toshiba X300 drives + 1x 8TB Toshiba N300 + 1x 8TB HGST Deskstar NAS drive = 56TB (not using RAID, separate external 8TB disks for backup)
i9 7900x @ stock under custom water (3x120 + 1x140mm rads)
Asrock X299 Professional Gaming i9 (integrated 10G NIC)
32GB DDR4 3000 (4x8)
Corsair 900D
PC Power & Cooling Silencer III 1200W
I have room for one more 3-drive caddy if I downgrade my PSU to a smaller unit which brings the chassis up to 15 drive capacity. I'll probably do this in the next 3-6 months.
OS?
Waco wrote:techguy wrote:Waco wrote:I'm not sure what you thought you were posting, but that backs up my assertion.
2 Seagate drives on that list with failure rates > 10%. Zero from any other vendor.
Yeah, with super low quantities and low confidence.
You'll note that they're generally all 3% or less with few exceptions.
techguy wrote:Toshiba and HGST drives are in the < 1% failure rate range, so even 3% looks not so great.
Buy whatever drives you like, I'll stick to Toshiba and HGST.
Waco wrote:techguy wrote:Toshiba and HGST drives are in the < 1% failure rate range, so even 3% looks not so great.
Buy whatever drives you like, I'll stick to Toshiba and HGST.
I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying if you even remotely protect your data in a reasonable way the AFR doesn't matter at all when they're all so low.
You'll note that the vast majority of drives that Backblaze owns, even after the 3 TB drive fiasco, are Seagate.
techguy wrote:Many CIOs care about price first and all else second, in my experience.
Forge wrote:I've got ten Hitachi desktop drives in my Plex box, ten 2TB of various sizes in my FreeNAS, and nice certified 15K 450s in my ESXi machine. All are about the same reliability. Only the warranty speed matters. That's why my Hitachi setup has a cold spare. On disk fail, replace with spare, begin resilver, begin RMA. I'll have a week or two of no-spare, less than a day of single parity (RAIDZ2 ~= RAID6 ~= RAID5 with a second parity setup), and nearly zero downtime.
11 desktop disks plus warranty extensions cost me about 1800$.
10 WD Red disks, same size, was 2650$. No brainer call.
You don't need Enterprise support for your home lab. You don't need five nines. You need Good Enough, and for almost all uses, that means desktop drives in a big raid array is a non-issue.
Waco wrote:Forge wrote:I've got ten Hitachi desktop drives in my Plex box, ten 2TB of various sizes in my FreeNAS, and nice certified 15K 450s in my ESXi machine. All are about the same reliability. Only the warranty speed matters. That's why my Hitachi setup has a cold spare. On disk fail, replace with spare, begin resilver, begin RMA. I'll have a week or two of no-spare, less than a day of single parity (RAIDZ2 ~= RAID6 ~= RAID5 with a second parity setup), and nearly zero downtime.
11 desktop disks plus warranty extensions cost me about 1800$.
10 WD Red disks, same size, was 2650$. No brainer call.
You don't need Enterprise support for your home lab. You don't need five nines. You need Good Enough, and for almost all uses, that means desktop drives in a big raid array is a non-issue.
I'll raise you another - of the 16 2 TB drives in my server, all of them are refurbished and none of them cost more than $50. Two spares sit on the shelf in case any failures arise.
After 3+ years of them running, I've had one failure that cost me another $50 for another cold spare to sit on the shelf (after fully testing to ensure it wasn't going to die the instant I hit it with a resilver).
Refurb drives, in my experience, are just drives someone lost a partition on and RMA'd. An industry exec (from an unnamed disk vendor) told me that 98% of all disk RMAs have zero actual disk defects...
DragonDaddyBear wrote:I wonder how well it would work with a newer kernel. That's a new-ish CPU for an old-ish release. Can you try swapping kernels and let us know how it works? Or maybe try Clear or something with newer drivers?
Glorious wrote:DragonDaddyBear wrote:I wonder how well it would work with a newer kernel. That's a new-ish CPU for an old-ish release. Can you try swapping kernels and let us know how it works? Or maybe try Clear or something with newer drivers?
It *still* doesn't work on Ubuntu 16.04.3 HWE, which is 4.10.
It just completely locks up the computer, with nothing helpful in any of the logs.
Since this is the main server for a bunch of stuff, I'm loathe to try it again.
The only thing I can say is that whatever is happening with me doesn't seem to be very common, at least at first glance: cursory googling doesn't find anything relevant.
DragonDaddyBear wrote:I'd open a ticket with them.
DragonDaddyBear wrote:I'd open a ticket with them.
TheEmrys wrote:Sort of an odd question, but my Plex server is a headless box and all of my clients are either Roku's, a Tivo, or a couple of android phones. A gpu will still provide h.265 decoding, even if the local machine isn't displaying the video, right?