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whm1974 wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

Well for this of us who would like to run Linux on these APUs, it looks like you will have jump through a few hoops first. Either that or wait a few months first.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... ga11&num=1

Not at all surprising. In fact, I would've been very surprised if existing releases worked with it out-of-box.

Yeah but I was hoping that rolling releases like Manjaro would work OOTB just fine. Well not just yet.

Well it turns out that one Manjaro user over at their forum managed to get Minecraft running at 60fps using the 4.15.x kernel. While it is Minecraft, it does show that you can get the Vega iGPU working at least with the rolling releases of Linux Distros that update their installation media regularly.

GREAT SCOTT!!!! Raven Ridge APUs do NOT have a soldered IHS.

I was just looking over the Phoronix articles last night, was kind of surprised to see the issues to be honest. I figured they'd be tapping in to existing Vega support introduced in kernel 4.12 and would have it mostly sorted (or at least not have all of the various system hang issues).

I'm planning to pick up one of these soon (just waiting for the right proc/board combo to be available at my local Microcenter). It's going to serve as a light gaming duty HTPC, running Windows, but I'd also figured if things went well I'd put together a second one to keep as my main box, running Ubuntu LTS. It looks like the initial release of 18.04 might not be ideal for it. Maybe better to wait for 18.04.1 / 18.04.2 once HWE updates start rolling in.

Wondering now how the Vega support will apply to the Hades Canyon NUC. It's also got integrated Vega.

@DPete27 saw that just recently. Pretty big difference after a delid:

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ry ... ested.html

Was a little bummed to see that.

Up to 12 degrees at stock and 15 degrees on an overclock. That's pretty substantial. I would think the additional circuitry of balancing the CPU + GPU loads would make performance even more temperature sensitive.

pssh. AMD CPUs have historically been pretty poor at knowing(reporting) their own temps, so I doubt temps affect their primitive clock balancing.

BTW. Has the AMD CPU temp reporting issues been fixed with Zen?

DPete27 wrote:

BTW. Has the AMD CPU temp reporting issues been fixed with Zen?

On Windows it seems fine, on Linux I think that's still a no.

synthtel2 wrote:

DPete27 wrote:

BTW. Has the AMD CPU temp reporting issues been fixed with Zen?

On Windows it seems fine, on Linux I think that's still a no.

I'm well aware that AMD has limited resources, but it sure seems that Intel bends over backwards to endure Linux works on their hardware. I built my rig just a few months after Haswell was released, and had zero issues with using Linux.

Temperature and voltage reporting is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, and it's the only Linux-specific issue I've run into with my R7 1700. The real test is their Linux graphics drivers, and AMDGPU is competent at this point.

synthtel2 wrote:

Temperature and voltage reporting is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, and it's the only Linux-specific issue I've run into with my R7 1700. The real test is their Linux graphics drivers, and AMDGPU is competent at this point.

Once Fixed release Linux distros have the 4.16.x kernel and mesa 18.x rolled in, then hopefully everything will be just gravy.

hoping to build a htpc with one of these .. was going to go for 2200g but then thought if I go for the 2400g I can replace my old 2500K . I don't really game much any more so the igp should suit me fine . fast memory prices are still a bit high (3200mhz) and some mobo's still need a BIOs update .
But a nice small all-in-one box for HTPC browsing and gaming all in less than 120w .. just wondering which case would be best as 2 ssd's is pretty much all storage I need.

drwho wrote:

hoping to build a htpc with one of these .. was going to go for 2200g but then thought if I go for the 2400g I can replace my old 2500K . I don't really game much any more so the igp should suit me fine . fast memory prices are still a bit high (3200mhz) and some mobo's still need a BIOs update .
But a nice small all-in-one box for HTPC browsing and gaming all in less than 120w .. just wondering which case would be best as 2 ssd's is pretty much all storage I need.

I ordered an AsRock ITX B350 motherboard along with a R3 2200G and it already had the 4.40 Bios which supported the 2200G & 2400G installed. Unfortunately, I was planning on having to use my Ryzen 1700 from another build to upgrade the BIOS so I had already pulled it and built my HTPC with the 1700. ANOTHER unfortunate thing I found is that I was planning on using Windows 7 on the HTPC. I have a Centon USB Infinity 4 TV Tuner which only has drivers for Windows 7 or beta drivers for Windows 8 and Windows Media Center is on Windows 7 or Windows 8.
The UNFORTUNATE part was ... While I was easily able to install Win7 Ultimate SP1 on this motherboard with Ryzen 1700 & GTX 1060, removing the 1700 and inserting the APU resulted in a failed boot stating that the BIOS are not ACPI compliant... so something in Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 doesn't like the new Ryzen APU.

or alot of older Dell Computers also...
https://www.dell.com/community/General/ ... 449/page/2

I may have to try a different version of Windows 7 or probably Windows 8 if I want to try and keep using the Ceton Tuner, but it has been on its last legs for awhile... it may be time to put it down and use the Silicon Dust HD HomeRun Prime from now on...but there isn't any good replacement software out there for Windows Media Center after all these years...

BTW, the build was pretty snappy when I installed Windows 10 with this mobo & Ryzen 2200G, blows the doors off my mother's slowly dying Win7/Pentium e8400(2core 3Ghz). So I may build another when/if DDR4 drops in price otherwise I may build an Athlon/Bulldozer/DDR3 out of old parts for her replacement.

freebird wrote:

...but there isn't any good replacement software out there for Windows Media Center after all these years...

Sad and true.

MileageMayVary wrote:

freebird wrote:

...but there isn't any good replacement software out there for Windows Media Center after all these years...

Sad and true.

Uhhh, XBMC.... or is there something in WMC that can't be done in XBMC? I've never even used the live TV recording option, but I hear it is pretty much the defacto live TV recorder (assuming you have the hardware).

Welch wrote:

Uhhh, XBMC.... or is there something in WMC that can't be done in XBMC? I've never even used the live TV recording option, but I hear it is pretty much the defacto live TV recorder (assuming you have the hardware).

Last time I used XBMC, it was a far cry away from the polish and "just works" aspect of WMC. Granted, this was 6 years ago, so maybe things have improved.

For Kodi live tv, you have to have a PVR backend. I use Next PVR with Kodi as the front end on my HTPC, and it seems to work pretty well.

Kodi has an HDHomeRun app. It "just works" in every case I've tried (Android, Windows 10, and Ubuntu). If you want a PVR you can use the HDHomeRun server or use Plex. I have both but use Plex for recording.

Edit: To be clear, the HDHomeRun app and Kodi Plugin is a way for live TV without a back end server, unless you want to record. Recording would require a back end. They have apps for just about everything... except the Apple TV (they said they are working on it, but we'll see if they actually deliver).

XBMC = Kodi, sorry forgot about the name change.

6 years, yeah it has changed dramatically! I've been using Kodi on my Raspberry Pi2 and what a world of change since I started using it. I at one point used the Windows one and was impressed, but I didn't want to use a media center on my fully blown desktop. I wanted power savings and a dedicated unit, enter Raspberry Pi.

Welch wrote:

MileageMayVary wrote:

freebird wrote:

...but there isn't any good replacement software out there for Windows Media Center after all these years...

Sad and true.

Uhhh, XBMC.... or is there something in WMC that can't be done in XBMC? I've never even used the live TV recording option, but I hear it is pretty much the defacto live TV recorder (assuming you have the hardware).

Uhhh, Does XBMC/Kodi do Copy-Once Recording/viewing? NO. Windows 7 with WMC was a one stop shop for viewing/recording/serving Recorded Free to copy or Copy-Once media encrypted with Cable Card.

freebird wrote:

Welch wrote:

MileageMayVary wrote:

Sad and true.

Uhhh, XBMC.... or is there something in WMC that can't be done in XBMC? I've never even used the live TV recording option, but I hear it is pretty much the defacto live TV recorder (assuming you have the hardware).

Uhhh, Does XBMC/Kodi do Copy-Once Recording/viewing? NO. Windows 7 with WMC was a one stop shop for viewing/recording/serving Recorded Free to copy or Copy-Once media encrypted with Cable Card.

I had never even heard about that feature before you mentioned it, probably because it isn't offered in my area, nor would I see any point in paying for it /shrug. I still don't even see the point in recording live TV, it seems like a joke in this day an age to me, but to each their own.

What are the POST/Boot times like with the 2200/2400G Ryzen chips? There were problems early on with taking 30+ seconds for monitors to light up or more than a minute to boot Windows off an SSD.

evilpaul wrote:

What are the POST/Boot times like with the 2200/2400G Ryzen chips? There were problems early on with taking 30+ seconds for monitors to light up or more than a minute to boot Windows off an SSD.

Boot times are pretty in line with other Ryzen systems, that is to say snappy just like any Intel system. I've got 4 of these systems in my office on the 2200G. After flashing the BIOS to 3803 (Asus B350M-E) with the AMD provided APU and then switching to the 2200G, they did do the 15-20 seconds to POST. Subsequent boots were fine, so I think this is a matter of memory learning and a new CPU being seen by the BIOS. I'm also running these systems with Ripjaws V 16-16-16-38 @ 3200 (2x4GB), no issues with D.O.C.P.

evilpaul wrote:

What are the POST/Boot times like with the 2200/2400G Ryzen chips? There were problems early on with taking 30+ seconds for monitors to light up or more than a minute to boot Windows off an SSD.

Ryzen CPUs will "train" some memory parameters when they boot up for the first time or if they fail to boot for 3 (or more, adjustable in the BIOS) consecutive times. This is relatively long but if you don't change memory or BIOS settings it won't occur more than once.

Don't worry, it's perfectly normal.

ptsant wrote:

evilpaul wrote:

What are the POST/Boot times like with the 2200/2400G Ryzen chips? There were problems early on with taking 30+ seconds for monitors to light up or more than a minute to boot Windows off an SSD.

Ryzen CPUs will "train" some memory parameters when they boot up for the first time or if they fail to boot for 3 (or more, adjustable in the BIOS) consecutive times. This is relatively long but if you don't change memory or BIOS settings it won't occur more than once.

Don't worry, it's perfectly normal.

Exactly, it's done as a failsafe. The only time I've had it fail was when I attempted to run an Asus x370-Pro board at 3200 one of the first few weeks of release. After a few failed attempts and long black screens it returned to the POST screen and exclaimed that my overclock had failed and reverted to whatever it was before it couldn't boot, and would I like to enter BIOS. A lot of people who assume their system is broken after a BIOS update with Ryzen usually don't give their system a chance to go through this learning or training and get nervous. In early Ryzen BIOS it was best practice to set everything to factory before flashing, but I never did and so far so good.

At least on an R7 1700 / ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac / 1.0.0.6b, it trains every time (and always has), regardless of RAM settings. POST takes maybe 15 seconds at 2666C14, 10 seconds at 2133 JEDEC, and could be 30+ if pushing the limits. 1st boot is no different, and 3x fail to boot (settable to 2x or more) throws it back into the firmware interface at 2133 JEDEC and 1.35V. It isn't a big deal, but it definitely isn't in line with Intel systems.

If some skip training, does anyone happen to know if this it's a more recent AGESA thing, or something about the mobo vendor?

I don't think it's a recent AGESA thing, since my Gigabyte AB350 Gaming-3 doesn't have that problem. 2933 on my Corsair DDR4-3000 POSTS in less than 10 seconds. No different if I drop down to 2133 JEDEC timings. But I set mine manually since XMP on this particular RAM doesn't like my Ryzen 5 2400G.

What's the DIMM support like? Or, better question, I guess, how can I tell whether I can populate all four slots? I'm thinking of putting together a 2400G system for a friend. I'm on a budget (hence considering a iGPU in the first place) and was going to go with 8 GB of RAM, but want the option to expand to 16 GB later without ending up with 8 GB of RAM sitting around I have no plans to use. I've looked at a couple mobo manuals, and the one went from 2400 single stick down to 1866 for four sticks. I was looking at some 3000 MHz Corsair that was on QVLs that should be able to run at 2933 MHz in single or two stick configs, but I wasn't sure about four.

You're basically always going to give up speed for more DIMMs. Those boards with four DIMM slots are fine, if you value quantity over performance.