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Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:36 am

Looks like those dinosaurs at Intel finally realized the asteroid is coming for them!
Behold the Intel MIPS interAptiv SoC GRX500 family.

Given the complete failure of its x86 product line and inability to manufacture real chips, Intel sees MIPS as the way forward.

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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:43 am

Ok, I'm chuckling here, but seriously: do you need a hobby?
 
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:47 am

Isn't it clear that he already has one? :wink:
 
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:48 am

Chuckaluphagus wrote:
Ok, I'm chuckling here, but seriously: do you need a hobby?


In this case, I actually used "CONFIRMED" accurately! That's my hobby!
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:32 am

To understand his mind you must only look at a sports fanatic. I follow a lot of Cardinals fans on Twitter. They alternate among three states: actively cheering on the team, sarcastically cutting down the team, or actively angry when the Cubs do well. I've seen all three of those in Chuck as it relates to both Intel (the National League) and Nvidia (the American League).
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:24 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
To understand his mind you must only look at a sports fanatic. I follow a lot of Cardinals fans on Twitter. They alternate among three states: actively cheering on the team, sarcastically cutting down the team, or actively angry when the Cubs do well. I've seen all three of those in Chuck as it relates to both Intel (the National League) and Nvidia (the American League).

To understand this analogy is difficult when one does not know of these Cardinals, Cubs, National League, and American League. :-?
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:29 pm

Topinio wrote:
derFunkenstein wrote:
To understand his mind you must only look at a sports fanatic. I follow a lot of Cardinals fans on Twitter. They alternate among three states: actively cheering on the team, sarcastically cutting down the team, or actively angry when the Cubs do well. I've seen all three of those in Chuck as it relates to both Intel (the National League) and Nvidia (the American League).

To understand this analogy is difficult when one does not know of these Cardinals, Cubs, National League, and American League. :-?


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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:42 pm

Topinio wrote:
derFunkenstein wrote:
To understand this analogy is difficult when one does not know of these Cardinals, Cubs, National League, and American League. :-?

Don't make plans for June 29 & 30, 2019 without checking this out first.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/09/londons ... ummer.html

Yankees vs. Red Sox in London Olympic Stadium.

Oh, and it's fundamentally unlike cricket. Things actually happen.
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:39 pm

While we're talking about things that Intel has confirmed, they've also confirmed the first discrete graphics products will hit in 2020:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/intel ... 2018-06-12
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:29 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
While we're talking about things that Intel has confirmed, they've also confirmed the first discrete graphics products will hit in 2020:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/intel ... 2018-06-12


First there was the i740!

Then there was Larrabee!

Behold Intel's next GPU codenamed: Swamp Castle!
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:51 pm

Oh, sorry. Their first re-entry to the discrete market. The first RajaChip.
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:07 pm

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Oh, sorry. Their first re-entry to the discrete market. The first RajaChip.


I'm still waiting for the press conference where they announce that the product based on the super-secret "RajaChip" codename will be named.... wait for it..... RajaChip!

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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:09 pm

chuckula wrote:
derFunkenstein wrote:
Oh, sorry. Their first re-entry to the discrete market. The first RajaChip.


I'm still waiting for the press conference where they announce that the product based on the super-secret "RajaChip" codename will be named.... wait for it..... RajaChip!

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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:19 pm

Linking to a clone wars video would usually be trout-slap worthy, but I think in this thread it fits.
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:17 pm

Off topic (don't feel like getting into the "ZOMG Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS" crap), but I found it rather fascinating that MIPS (well, nanoMIPS) is likely to find a home in smartphones.

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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:15 am

Doctor Venture wrote:
Off topic (don't feel like getting into the "ZOMG Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS" crap), but I found it rather fascinating that MIPS (well, nanoMIPS) is likely to find a home in smartphones.

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Looks like they're attempting to position it as a real-time communications co-processor (not the main processor in the phone).
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:19 am

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Don't make plans for June 29 & 30, 2019 without checking this out first. [...] Oh, and it's fundamentally unlike cricket. Things actually happen.

Oh, cool, ta; I'm at the stadium often enough already to see the action-packed version of football* :wink:

* The ball being in play for ~50% of the < 2h duration, rather than ~6% of the > 3h from start to end...
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:50 am

just brew it! wrote:
Doctor Venture wrote:
Off topic (don't feel like getting into the "ZOMG Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS" crap), but I found it rather fascinating that MIPS (well, nanoMIPS) is likely to find a home in smartphones.

Link

Looks like they're attempting to position it as a real-time communications co-processor (not the main processor in the phone).


You're absolutely correct. It's not going to replace the ARM-based SoCs in smartphones, but I was a bit curious whether it can provide tangible benefits with LTE-WAN aggregation, considering that it's directly connected to the LTE portion of the phones.

I'll be the first to admit that I assumed MIPS was a dead end architecture, especially after companies like Cavium and Broadcom ditched it, but I found the press release for it to be interesting. Kinda like how the SuperH series featured in the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast are now commonly found in automotive sensors and in-vehicle entertainment centers.
 
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Re: Intel ARM -- I mean MIPS -- Chip CONFIRMED!

Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:12 am

Doctor Venture wrote:
You're absolutely correct. It's not going to replace the ARM-based SoCs in smartphones, but I was a bit curious whether it can provide tangible benefits with LTE-WAN aggregation, considering that it's directly connected to the LTE portion of the phones.

Many peripheral chips of non-trivial complexity contain some form of CPU these days. This is really not much different. I assume they've integrated functionality and/or are providing a software stack which simplifies how the system talks to the wireless transceivers. If they've done that right, and the power consumption is low enough, yeah it could provide tangible benefits.

Doctor Venture wrote:
I'll be the first to admit that I assumed MIPS was a dead end architecture, especially after companies like Cavium and Broadcom ditched it, but I found the press release for it to be interesting. Kinda like how the SuperH series featured in the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast are now commonly found in automotive sensors and in-vehicle entertainment centers.

Microchip (maker of the venerable PIC line of microcontrollers) ditched their proprietary ISA when they went 32-bit. Their own 32-bit line is MIPS based; they also acquired Atmel (ARM based) a few years back. So they've got both bases covered. Microchip is still huge in the embedded and industrial markets.

And let's not forget IBM's POWER architecture, which (as recently announced) is being used in the DoE's latest supercomputers.

Many old ISAs don't die, they just move into niche markets. :wink:
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