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Krogoth wrote:

Getting agitated over silly things like pricing on commodity goods?

You mean continual (to the point where it is willful) misrepresentation?

Stating completely incorrect things that are -easily- verifiable, and then doing it again and again, makes these forums look like they're full of people who don't know what they are talking about.

So please stop commenting about pricing and availability.

derFunkenstein wrote:

Krogoth wrote:

8700Ks are acutally getting close to...

wait...they're getting cheaper because of the shortages?
https://ark.intel.com/products/126684/I ... -4-70-GHz-

Intel wrote:

Recommended Customer Price $359.00 - $370.00

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sxDzK8 ... y_days=365
Core i7-8700k has gone up from $319 to $401 in the past month and a half.

Glorious wrote:

Krogoth wrote:

Getting agitated over silly things like pricing on commodity goods?

You mean continual (to the point where's it is willful) misrepresentation?

Stating completely incorrect things that are -easily- verifiable, and then doing it again and again, makes these forums look like they're full of people who don't know what they are talking about.

So please stop commenting about pricing and availability.

Dude, you need to take a chill pill and stop being so bloody pedantic. So what if I was incorrect in some posts here and there (Don' t pretend you haven't done the same thing before). This isn't some political or philosophical debate. It is just pricing and availability on some silly commodity goods.

Krogoth wrote:

It is just pricing and availability on some silly commodity goods.

I agree, it'll be no big deal at all if you just refrain from commenting on the subject.

Thanks.

Glorious wrote:

Krogoth wrote:

It is just pricing and availability on some silly commodity goods.

I agree, it'll be no big deal at all if you just refrain from commenting on the subject.

Thanks.

Again, the same (not sure if intentional) thinly-veiled arrogance and snarkiness instead of letting bygones be bygones.

The Egg wrote:

Yeah, the 2066 route doesn't make sense, even with a free motherboard. Consider that you can get a quad-core i3-8100 at 3.6 for $119, and the 8600k is $300 less than the 7800x with higher clocks.

Not that $20 is a big deal, but Microcenter seems to randomly drop to 219/299 for the 8600k/8700k

Getting back onto topic on hand, it might be tricky to sell that "free" Socket 2066 motherboard and get enough from it to make up the difference for a 3xx motherboard/Coffee Lake or Ryzen 2xxx/B3xx build. You might have better luck for a trade though.

Krogoth wrote:

The Egg wrote:

Yeah, the 2066 route doesn't make sense, even with a free motherboard. Consider that you can get a quad-core i3-8100 at 3.6 for $119, and the 8600k is $300 less than the 7800x with higher clocks.
Not that $20 is a big deal, but Microcenter seems to randomly drop to 219/299 for the 8600k/8700k

Getting back onto topic on hand, it might be tricky to sell that "free" Socket 2066 motherboard and get enough from it to make up the difference for a 3xx motherboard/Coffee Lake or Ryzen 2xxx/B3xx build. You might have better luck for a trade though.

I got the Asus H370M Plus for only $50 after their $30 combo discount, and I've been pretty happy with it (aside from some BIOS quirks with the fan speeds). With the "H" chipset, you gain native Intel USB 3.1 Gen 2, but lose the ability to overclock.

Wow, a free 2066 motherboard is a curse, isn't it.

There's nothing I'd buy to fit in a 2066 motherboard at the moment. Every single chip in that lineup is both worse and more expensive than the alternative complete platform cost for AM4, TR4, or S1153

Chrispy_ wrote:

Wow, a free 2066 motherboard is a curse, isn't it.

There's nothing I'd buy to fit in a 2066 motherboard at the moment. Other platforms from both Intel and AMD are more attractive, even when you don't have to pay for the motherboard.

Getting a "free" Socket 2066 motherboard isn't a curse if you were trying to setup a full-blown workstation. The difference from the "free" motherboard could allow your budget to fit a beefer CPU SKU or a larger NVMe drive.

No, that's what I mean. With the exception of a dedicated AVX512 number crunching node, either Coffeelake or Zen is going to be better. Our ageing workstations are Haswell-E but I'd be replacing them with either i7-8700K or possibly one of the upcoming 8-core variants. The hardcore compute nodes are either EPYC, Threadripper, or in the case of the older ones, Ryzen 7.

Chrispy_ wrote:

No, that's what I mean. With the exception of a dedicated AVX512 number crunching node, either Coffeelake or Zen is going to be better.

Not if your workloads easily scale beyond 6 and 8-cores and/or need more than sixteen PCIe lanes + whatever is free on the PCH/Southbridge that is found on Coffee Lake/Zen platforms. However this is far beyond the scope of the OP's needs.

i7-7800X is 6C/12T @ 4GHz for $530
i7-8700K is 6C/12T @ 4.7GHz for $380

The free 2066 mobo makes up the difference in cost, but you're still using a CPU with a lower frequency. Doesn't sound like OP needs quad-channel ram or >2 GPUs. Those things may be a feature advantage, but they have no value if you don't need/use them.

Krogoth wrote:

Chrispy_ wrote:

No, that's what I mean. With the exception of a dedicated AVX512 number crunching node, either Coffeelake or Zen is going to be better.

Not if your workloads easily scale beyond 6 and 8-cores and/or need more than sixteen PCIe lanes + whatever is free on the PCH/Southbridge that is found on Coffee Lake/Zen platforms. However this is far beyond the scope of the OP's needs.

OK, so here's the deal. I was originally planning to put together a pedestrian home and gaming box, and then all this *gestures* happened. So - given the current scenario in which I find myself - I'm seriously considering taking my existing Ryzen 1700 and putting that to use as a general purpose home and gaming box. If - and this is something I don't yet know - the x299 Aorus 7 Gaming motherboard has solid Linux support, then I'm unquestionably going to make it my workstation/number cruncher. AVX-512 plus quad-channel memory and copious PCIe lanes will make it a much better candidate for the scientific computing applications I have in mind, particularly seismic data processing with Madagascar. This same crazy friend of mine is also sending me a pair of original GTX Titans, which have preposterous DP floating point compute performance. Even one of those would be pretty muscular for my intentions.

It's all gotten crazy, but I think this is going to be a fun learning experience. Whenever the box full o' fun gets here, I'll make a new thread with pictures.

I need friends like yours. Good for you, though. Please post a link to the thread you make in this one.

DragonDaddyBear wrote:

I need friends like yours.

Ditto!

DragonDaddyBear wrote:

I need friends

Same.

The 1700 -> 7800X seems like a side-grade to me but for $200 more. I dunno. Sounds like the path is set.

DPete27 wrote:

The 1700 -> 7800X seems like a side-grade to me but for $200 more. I dunno. Sounds like the path is set.

I mean, pretty much. For more weakly threaded workloads it'll be decisively quicker, but in aggregate they'll trade blows back and forth outside of AVX flogging, with the 7800x taking more than twice the power to do it. Still, the platform is very solid. And it looks like my Fry's has the 7800x in stock, so when the time comes I'll be ready to pounce.

May as well ask, then: since I'm running this behemoth stock, what is a solid air cooler to recommend for a 140W CPU in 2018? I ran an FX-8320 stock before discovering undervolting, so this territory is not totally unfamiliar to me. I will assume the 7800x is close enough to its limits for undervolting to be untenable.

Well the 2600 is better for multithreaded tasks and better for streaming but the 8400 will still have good enough streaming quality as long as you're not a professional...

The 8400 is slightly better for gaming but most of the time if you're over your monitor refresh rate with one cpu you will be over it with then other(if that makes sense).

AMD promised upgrade ability until 2020 but this is looking like it wont be as good as they said originally as time goes by...

8400 is cheaper until B450 arrives, then they'll be relatively the same.

Most applications are optimised for Intel architecture / cpus but in most cases this is minor.

I can't decide for you. You have to decide what your priorities are because each cpu has asvantages and disadvantages. Neither is a bad option to be honest but you need to decide on your priorities.