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Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:26 pm

True story: I made some very nice fried chicken over the weekend.

And what happens right around the same time? The i9 9900KFC model is CONFIRMED by AIDA64.

Now I know what some of you are thinking... Chuckula, this is just a simple typo or intentional joke on AIDA's part and amounts to nothing more than a splash of hot oil from a pan. But as your official paid Intel shill lemme let you in on an unpublished detail: The TIM we use on the KFC models is a secret blend of SEVEN make that ELEVEN polymers and fillers! We only dropped like.. a billion or so to buy naming rights from the chicken people, so this TIM will pay for itself in no time!
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:22 pm

So will it be the 9900PFK in Quebec?

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm ... HdvGyGR2hA
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:34 pm

just brew it! wrote:
So will it be the 9900PFK in Quebec?

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm ... HdvGyGR2hA


Oui monsieur! Avec une baguette!
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:46 pm

A 9900K with an eDRAM cache would be a monster. Here's to hoping that's what this is!
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:00 pm

Waco wrote:
A 9900K with an eDRAM cache would be a monster. Here's to hoping that's what this is!


This is Intel: We don't give you what you want. It's a typo. A funny (maybe inside joke) typo, but a typo none the less.

You should see the material I'm working on for Comet Lake if it ever turns out to be something more than a bad ChipHell post.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:55 pm

eDRAM would do almost nothing for Coffee Lake chip with fast DDR4 DIMMs at the helm. It will just perform better in synthetic benches/specialized applications that can fit within the eDRAM space. There's a reason why Intel abandoned integrated eDRAM after Broadwell. The cost/benefits weren't there. 5775c was nothing more than a happy short-lived accident that was surpassed by aggressively clocked Skylake chips and Kaby Lake refresh (bump up clockspeed).

9900KFC is probably just a cherry-picked Coffee Lake R chip that can clock high but the iGPU is FUBAR.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:58 pm

chuckula wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
So will it be the 9900PFK in Quebec?

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm ... HdvGyGR2hA
Oui monsieur! Avec une baguette!

Baguette? En Québec? Mais non. Poutine.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:16 pm

Captain Ned wrote:
chuckula wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
So will it be the 9900PFK in Quebec?

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm ... HdvGyGR2hA
Oui monsieur! Avec une baguette!

Baguette? En Québec? Mais non. Poutine.


Well, fried chicken with gravy & cheese curds on it would be an awesome way to die of a heart attack!

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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:21 am

ZOMG! How can AMD possibly respond to this?

Ryzen bundle with milkshakes?
 
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:02 am

jihadjoe wrote:
ZOMG! How can AMD possibly respond to this?

Ryzen bundle with milkshakes?


That'll never work.

Throw in some super-sized fries and a choice of dessert, otoh, and they may be on to something.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:02 am

Mr. der8auer will happily buy a whole batch of KFC and delid every package just to lick away the tasty TIM!
 
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:43 am

jihadjoe wrote:
ZOMG! How can AMD possibly respond to this?

Ryzen bundle with milkshakes?


With that kind of name it is obviously cake.
 
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:06 am

Hot Dogs is where it is at. Right off the vendor cart near the ballpark.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:02 am

Krogoth wrote:
eDRAM would do almost nothing for Coffee Lake chip with fast DDR4 DIMMs at the helm. It will just perform better in synthetic benches/specialized applications that can fit within the eDRAM space. There's a reason why Intel abandoned integrated eDRAM after Broadwell. The cost/benefits weren't there. 5775c was nothing more than a happy short-lived accident that was surpassed by aggressively clocked Skylake chips and Kaby Lake refresh (bump up clockspeed).

IIRC the large cache was excellent for gaming and made up for 3-500 MHz worth of clock deficit. It may not be cost effective, but if you could make a 4.5 GHz chip behave more like a 5 GHz chip...it'd sell. IPC bumps like that are rare, even if they are expensive. eDRAM that close to the chip is still a huge bump in bandwidth and latency for a hundred+ MB worth of active data.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:33 am

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Krogoth wrote:
eDRAM would do almost nothing for Coffee Lake chip with fast DDR4 DIMMs at the helm. It will just perform better in synthetic benches/specialized applications that can fit within the eDRAM space. There's a reason why Intel abandoned integrated eDRAM after Broadwell. The cost/benefits weren't there. 5775c was nothing more than a happy short-lived accident that was surpassed by aggressively clocked Skylake chips and Kaby Lake refresh (bump up clockspeed).

IIRC the large cache was excellent for gaming and made up for 3-500 MHz worth of clock deficit. It may not be cost effective, but if you could make a 4.5 GHz chip behave more like a 5 GHz chip...it'd sell. IPC bumps like that are rare, even if they are expensive. eDRAM that close to the chip is still a huge bump in bandwidth and latency for a hundred+ MB worth of active data.


It only alleviated the memory bandwidth bottleneck of dual-channel DDR3 that had hindered aggressively clocked Sandy Bridge-Haswell chips. eDRAM itself isn't much faster than the DRAM chips found on faster DDR4 DIMMs these days. Besides, the eDRAM was originally intended to be a miniaturization/power saving measure on ultraportables.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:50 am

I'm not sure I buy that argument given Intel still makes chips with eDRAM...
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:59 am

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I'm not sure I buy that argument given Intel still makes chips with eDRAM...


Intel only uses eDRAM on specialized SKUs intended for ultraportables. It is entirely for miniaturization/power saving while cost is not a object. There's no cost benefit of using it over SRAM on normal desktop/workstation/server-tier chips.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:32 pm

Krogoth wrote:
Intel only uses eDRAM on specialized SKUs intended for ultraportables. It is entirely for miniaturization/power saving while cost is not a object. There's no cost benefit of using it over SRAM on normal desktop/workstation/server-tier chips.

Well, which one is it Krogoth? They abandoned it, or they're only using it for very specific ultra-portables now? Oh, and I'm guessing these 65W processors would disagree with your "analysis."

https://ark.intel.com/products/codename ... l#@desktop

Skylake with eDRAM: https://ark.intel.com/products/93339/In ... o-3_90-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/93338/In ... o-3_80-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/93337/In ... o-3_60-GHz


By the way...Coffee Lake with eDRAM and DDR4: https://ark.intel.com/products/137979/I ... o-4_50-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/137980/I ... o-4_20-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/135935/I ... o-3_80-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/135936/I ... o-3_60-GHz
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:46 pm

[facepalm]The R and U monikers on their model numbers indicate they are geared for Ultraportable/SFF platforms where power consumption and chassis volume are at a very steep premium.

Intel had abandoned the use of eDRAM outside of specialized cases. If the performance benefits were noticeable on modern chips they would have thrown in it in a heartbeat with their current enthusiast and server desktop line-up in light of recent competition. They most likely already tried it with early desktop-based Skylake prototypes and found that it wasn't really worth it.
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:07 pm

I always love how you just know things no one else does. It's truly amazing.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:09 pm

Anybody who has such a fascination with glue is probably going to be rather interesting.

I expect a fried chicken recipe now, or I will be disappoint.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:57 pm

I can almost hear the goalposts flying by. :P
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:00 pm

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I can almost hear the goalposts flying by. :P
Krogoth wrote:
eDRAM would do almost nothing for Coffee Lake chip with fast DDR4 DIMMs at the helm. It will just perform better in synthetic benches/specialized applications that can fit within the eDRAM space. There's a reason why Intel abandoned integrated eDRAM after Broadwell. The cost/benefits weren't there. 5775c was nothing more than a happy short-lived accident that was surpassed by aggressively clocked Skylake chips and Kaby Lake refresh (bump up clockspeed).

Krogoth wrote:
It only alleviated the memory bandwidth bottleneck of dual-channel DDR3 that had hindered aggressively clocked Sandy Bridge-Haswell chips. eDRAM itself isn't much faster than the DRAM chips found on faster DDR4 DIMMs these days. Besides, the eDRAM was originally intended to be a miniaturization/power saving measure on ultraportables.

Krogoth wrote:
Intel only uses eDRAM on specialized SKUs intended for ultraportables. It is entirely for miniaturization/power saving while cost is not a object. There's no cost benefit of using it over SRAM on normal desktop/workstation/server-tier chips.

Krogoth wrote:
[facepalm]The R and U monikers on their model numbers indicate they are geared for Ultraportable/SFF platforms where power consumption and chassis volume are at a very steep premium.

Intel had abandoned the use of eDRAM outside of specialized cases. If the performance benefits were noticeable on modern chips they would have thrown in it in a heartbeat with their current enthusiast and server desktop line-up in light of recent competition. They most likely already tried it with early desktop-based Skylake prototypes and found that it wasn't really worth it.


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WHAT GOALPOSTS?

All I see is a faint red blur from the speed at which they are departing this thread. :P
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:25 pm

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I always love how you just know things no one else does. It's truly amazing.


It doesn't take amazing insight to figure it out. Intel already went back with solder with Coffee Lake R silicon in light of recent competition. They would have easily thrown in eDRAM if would have widen the performance gap. Guess what most likely why they bother to do it? It most likely did little to next to nothing on test models to justify the extra cost to implement. eDRAM is just embedded DRAM. Its only advantages over DIMMs is latency (albeit small), lower power consumption and compact size.
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These days I would think it'd be less expensive to use HBM and an interposer.
 
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:51 pm

Krogoth wrote:
It doesn't take amazing insight to figure it out.


It doesn't take amazing insight to realize that you bluntly contradicted yourself and yet blame everyone else for not knowing what you really meant.

Especially since "what you really meant" was directly informed by what they told you.

I don't think it's remotely unfair of people to conclude that you're just making it up as you go if they WITNESS you change your argument to accommodate their cited facts.

What's unfair is snarking at them as if that wasn't what happened.
 
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:06 pm

"Just" embedded DRAM, very close to the CPU, acting as a buffer for all PCIe and DRAM access, with lower latency and higher throughput.

Yep, it's just a waste of time for Intel to put it there. :P I'm glad that IBM is wasting silicon area putting it on their POWER CPUs as well.
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Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:18 pm

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Mr. der8auer will happily buy a whole batch of KFC and delid every package just to lick away the tasty TIM!

My daughter does that with Oreos. I don't get it. The TIM is the least-tasty part of the package.
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Re: Intel Shill made fried chicken... 9900KFC CONFIRMED!!

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:58 pm

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Wirko wrote:
Mr. der8auer will happily buy a whole batch of KFC and delid every package just to lick away the tasty TIM!

My daughter does that with Oreos. I don't get it. The TIM is the least-tasty part of the package.


Oreos you say?

Well, if 10nm silicon won't join the Dark Side then perhaps cookie-filling-TIM will.
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