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Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:08 am

https://techreport.com/news/34613/intel ... pping-now/
Zak Killian wrote:
As an afterthought at the end of Intel's show: the company is apparently shipping 10nm Ice Lake-family mobile CPUs to its partners as I write this.

https://www.techpowerup.com/257283/inte ... p-suggests
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Intel's 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" 14 nm processors won't launch before 2020.
10 nm "Ice Lake" won't arrive on the desktop platform until at least Q3 2020.

Intel has been stuck at 14 nm since Broadwell debuted in 2014. Comet Lake will be the sixth "generation" of Intel processors to be fabricated at 14 nm. For those of us who can remember back when Intel used to upgrade their fabrication nodes on a predictable schedule, the company's strategy was typically to introduce new mobile processors when a new process node went into production. Desktop processors fabricated on the new process could be expected to be available several months later.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:27 am

Looking forward to seeing power consumption numbers on that 10 core part when you forget to turn off MCE! Gotta give it to Intel for squeezing even more headroom out of that 14nm process, though.
 
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:54 am

Comet Lake 14+++++ nm desktop CPUs (based on Intel's existing Skylake microarchitecture from Core 6000, 7000, 8000 & 9000 CPUs) will use a new LGA1159 socket:
Core i3-10xxx: 4 cores / 8 threads, UHD730 graphics
Core i5-10xxx: 6 cores / 12 threads, UHD730 graphics
Core i7-10xxx: 8 cores / 16 threads, UHD730 graphics
Core i9-10xxx: 10 cores / 20 threads, NO graphics

https://www.techpowerup.com/257249/inte ... p-detailed
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Leading the pack is the Core i9-10900KF, a 10-core/20-thread chip clocked at 4.60 GHz with 5.20 GHz Turbo Boost, 20 MB of shared L3 cache, native support for DDR4-3200, and a TDP of 105 W. Intel's new 10-core die appears to physically lack an iGPU, since none of the other Core i9 10-core models offer integrated graphics. The 10th generation Core i7 series, as we mentioned, consist of 8-core/16-thread processors. These are physically the same die found on the i9-9900K, but built on the new 14 nm+++ nodelet, and benefit from higher clock speeds. The 10th generation Core i5 family consist of 6-core/12-thread processors, which are physically similar to the Core i7-8700K, but fabbed on 14 nm+++. The new Core i3 family of 4-core/8-thread chips is carved out from the 6-core silicon to give it 9 MB of shared L3 cache.


Peak or full-load power consumption for the Core i9-10900KF doesn't scare me too much in a desktop application except for the cooling requirements. I have already encountered significant challenges cooling a Core i7-9700K.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:16 am

Was there any hope in expecting that I could use the same Coffee Lake socket, or am I just naive?
 
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:19 am

cegras wrote:
Was there any hope in expecting that I could use the same Coffee Lake socket, or am I just naive?

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Comet Lake 14+++++ nm desktop CPUs (based on their existing Skylake microarchitecture from Core 6000, 7000, 8000 & 9000 CPUs) will use a new LGA1159 socket
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:48 am

I did not think we'd see the day this soon when Intel would sell an i3, with turbo boost, with HT, as a quad core / eight thread part.

The new motherboard / socket, again, though...surely someone at Intel has figured out that the backlash isn't as bad as the extra sales of boards and chipsets. They'd earn a lot of goodwill if they didn't change the socket every single iteration as it seems like they have recently.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:02 am

Not sure if it was in the TPU article linked above or one of the previous leaks, but supposedly the new socket/chipset will support Ice Lake-S when it eventually comes down the pipe.
 
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:21 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Comet Lake 14+++++ nm desktop CPUs (based on Intel's existing Skylake microarchitecture from Core 6000, 7000, 8000 & 9000 CPUs) will use a new LGA1159 socket:
Core i3-10xxx: 4 cores / 8 threads, UHD730 graphics
Core i5-10xxx: 6 cores / 12 threads, UHD730 graphics
Core i7-10xxx: 8 cores / 16 threads, UHD730 graphics
Core i9-10xxx: 10 cores / 20 threads, NO graphics


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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:59 am

Flying Fox wrote:
cegras wrote:
Was there any hope in expecting that I could use the same Coffee Lake socket, or am I just naive?

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Comet Lake 14+++++ nm desktop CPUs (based on their existing Skylake microarchitecture from Core 6000, 7000, 8000 & 9000 CPUs) will use a new LGA1159 socket


Right, I meant before this fact was revealed. I guess I can look for a 97/9900 K in a few years on ebay.
 
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:36 am

We have many many more exciting product cancellations to tell you about once the NDAs lift!!
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:26 pm

Waco wrote:
The new motherboard / socket, again, though...surely someone at Intel has figured out that the backlash isn't as bad as the extra sales of boards and chipsets. They'd earn a lot of goodwill if they didn't change the socket every single iteration as it seems like they have recently.
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Purportedly, the new socket/chipset will support Ice Lake-S when it eventually comes down the pipe.

Intel has generally supported two generations of CPU per motherboard, but Intel's marketing "generations" have become little more than a minor re-tweaking of the same Skylake microarchitecture on the same 14 nm fabrication process over (Kaby Lake) and over (Coffee Lake) and over (Coffee Lake Refresh) and over (Comet Lake) again rather than the hugely successful Tick-Tock development strategy that prevailed for many generations up until Skylake arrived in 2015.

Matching up with the lifetime of AMD's socket AM3 and AM4, Intel has offered several more motherboard options for their desktop CPUs:
LGA1159 with 400-series chipset: Comet Lake, e.g.: 14nm Core i9-10900KF
LGA1151v2 with 300-series Cannon Point chipset: 14nm Coffee Lake, e.g.: Core i7-8700K and 14nm Coffee Lake "Refresh", e.g.: Core i9-9900K
LGA1151v1 with 100-series Sunrise Point and 200-series Union Point chipsets: 14nm Skylake, e.g.: Core i7-6700K and 14nm Kaby Lake, e.g.: Core i7-7700K
LGA1150 with 80-series Lynx Point and 90-series Wildcat Point chipsets: 22nm Haswell, e.g.: Core i7-4770K and 14nm Broadwell, e.g.: Core i7-5775C
LGA1155 with 60-series Cougar Point(defective!) and 70-series Panther Point chipsets: 32nm Sandy Bridge, e.g.: Core i7-2600K and 22nm Ivy Bridge, e.g.: Core i7-3770K
LGA1156 with 50-series Ibex Peak chipsets: 45nm Lynnfield, e.g.: Core i7-870 and 32nm Clarkdale, e.g.: Core i5-670
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:36 pm

I think that's the part that bothers many - it's not *really* the tick/tock of old where it wasn't expected to be a similar socket because there was a major architectural change.

Nowadays it's been slight tweaks to the process, a few more cores, and a frequency bump. There hasn't been a "tock" since Skylake, so the constant platform changes feel more deliberate and a result of not planning.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:53 pm

Waco wrote:
There hasn't been a "tock" since Skylake...
...and there hasn't been a "tick", either.

Fortunately, AMD's resurgence may light a competitive fire under the 800-lb Chipzilla. If it doesn't, AMD's CPUs will be a viable alternative for the enthusiast.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:17 pm

Ice Lake desperately needs to come this year. This Comet Lake nonsense would be a HUGE hit to Intel. Just stretching out the same old tired architecture and same old tired process node for one more year. Pathetic.
Ice Lake is promising.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:36 pm

DPete27 wrote:
Ice Lake desperately needs to come this year. This Comet Lake nonsense would be a HUGE hit to Intel. Just stretching out the same old tired architecture and same old tired process node for one more year. Pathetic.
Ice Lake is promising.


Oh please. Ice Lake is just an elaborate practical joke that we've been playing on Apple.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:16 pm

DPete27 wrote:
Ice Lake desperately needs to come this year. This Comet Lake nonsense would be a HUGE hit to Intel. Just stretching out the same old tired architecture and same old tired process node for one more year. Pathetic. Ice Lake is promising.
The Intel Computex comment that Zak wrote about (that Intel is sampling Ice Lake mobile chips to suppliers now) seems consistent with the idea of a slow ramp-up of Intel's long-delayed 10 nm process. Remember that all three of the cutting-edge chip foundries buy their photolithography equipment from the same supplier (ASML). If TSMC and Samsung have already got the next process node in high-volume production with DUV today with a planned transition to high-volume deliveries using EUV early next year, then the tools are there for Intel to do the same.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:26 am

DPete27 wrote:
Ice Lake desperately needs to come this year. This Comet Lake nonsense would be a HUGE hit to Intel. Just stretching out the same old tired architecture and same old tired process node for one more year. Pathetic.
Ice Lake is promising.


Intel has been doing really good stuff within the constraints of 14nm, though. The jump from quad core 6700k to an octacore 9900k is just awesome. (Arguably because Intel has been sandbagging on core count since Ivy Lake... But that's besides the point.)

I honestly suspect we might never see a 10nm desktop chip, and just jump straight to 7nm. Mobile has small dies and low clocks. Servers have medium range clocks, and really high margins to offset poor yields. But on desktop they need to hit 5GHz, and yield well enough to hit prices consumers will stomach.
 
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:59 am

https://fortune.com/2019/07/16/intel-ceo-bob-swan/
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"It was Chuckula’s fault...."
He addressed the five year delay in delivering the 10 nm node being caused by "too aggressive innovation," adding that "At a time when it was getting harder and harder, we set a more and more aggressive goal. From that, it just took us longer."
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:14 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
https://techreport.com/news/34613/intel-casually-announces-that-ice-lake-family-10th-gen-core-chips-are-shipping-now/
Zak Killian wrote:
As an afterthought at the end of Intel's show: the company is apparently shipping 10nm Ice Lake-family mobile CPUs to its partners as I write this.

https://www.techpowerup.com/257283/inte ... p-suggests
btarunr wrote:
Intel's 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" 14 nm processors won't launch before 2020.
10 nm "Ice Lake" won't arrive on the desktop platform until at least Q3 2020.

Intel has been stuck at 14 nm since Broadwell debuted in 2014. Comet Lake will be the sixth "generation" of Intel processors to be fabricated at 14 nm. For those of us who can remember back when Intel used to upgrade their fabrication nodes on a predictable schedule, the company's strategy was typically to introduce new mobile processors when a new process node went into production. Desktop processors fabricated on the new process could be expected to be available several months later.


Can't wait to see this :D How can this compare with the 3rd generation ryzen? It also looks promising.
 
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:44 pm

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel ... 40260.html
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It’s hard to see how these chips are going to find favor among just about any enthusiast or system builder next year. Comet Lake-S looks like the kind of lineup that would have been seen as a tepid, skippable update five years ago when Intel had little real competition in the desktop space. Here in the back half of 2019, what Intel looks to be readying for early next year honestly borders on insulting. Intel’s move to yet another socket feels like a kick in the face (or at least the wallet) to its loyal customers.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:51 am

Does this mean that Comet Lake got *dun-dun-dunnnn* cancelled? Stay tuned!
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:28 am

Comet Lake Core i3-10100 info:
https://hothardware.com/news/intel-core ... chip-leaks
"10-100" = Hot Pursuit


Since 14 nm Comet Lake (and its new LGA1159 motherboards) are inbound, Intel has discontinued 14 nm Kaby Lake. LGA1151v1 is EOL.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:09 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Comet Lake Core i3-10100 info:
https://hothardware.com/news/intel-core ... chip-leaks
"10-100" = Hot Pursuit


Since 14 nm Comet Lake (and its new LGA1159 motherboards) are inbound, Intel has discontinued 14 nm Kaby Lake. LGA1151v1 is EOL.
https://www.techpowerup.com/260023/inte ... sor-series


If the 4xx series chipset slides are remotely true. It looks like Intel is going with active cooling on the PCH like AMD 5xx series boards. Those Skylake-X LCC chips are looking awfully dated now.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:46 pm

Been playing with an XPS 13 7390 for the better part of a week. Graphics performance is excellent for an integrated GPU. CPU results and a full review to come soon. I think you'll like it.

It's really disappointing and rather unfortunate that Sunnycove can't cover all of Intel's mobile offerings yet, though. The existence of Comet Lake is a bummer, because they're "10th gen" CPUs same as this Ice Lake model, but the performance will be disappointing, assuming Sky Lake can scale at all with higher power allotments.
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:00 pm

Benchmarks for Core i3-10100:
https://www.techpowerup.com/260114/inte ... edia-tests
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:51 pm

Certainly helps that teh Core i3-10100 has all the cores and threads of a Core i7-7700K. The previous generation Core i3-9100 lacked hyperthreading. Surely that's where most of the gains originated.

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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:29 am

Intel is still having issues supplying its customers.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel ... -hp-lenovo
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Re: Intel 10th-generation Comet Lake in 2020 on 14+++++ nm

Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:43 pm

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-10th ... e-flagship
10 cores / 20 threads for the top-of-the-line Comet Lake CPU.
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