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Asus has eased the pain of shortages of Intel 14nm CPUs by reducing the use of low-end Intel CPUs in its product mix and by offering more products using AMD CPUs.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15114/as ... -uncertain

Uh oh...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15132/in ... ent-delays

Michelle Johnston Holthaus, Intel’s EVP and GM of Sales, Marketing and Communications wrote:

I’d like to acknowledge and sincerely apologize for the impact recent PC CPU shipment delays are having on your business.... Despite our best efforts, we have not yet resolved this challenge....
Supply remains extremely tight in our PC business where we are operating with limited inventory buffers. This makes us less able to absorb the impact of any production variability, which we have experienced in the quarter. This has resulted in the shipment delays you are experiencing, which we appreciate is creating significant challenges for your business. Because the impact and revised shipment schedules vary, Intel representatives are reaching out with additional information and to answer your questions.

JustAnEngineer wrote:

Uh oh...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15132/in ... ent-delays

Michelle Johnston Holthaus, Intel’s EVP and GM of Sales, Marketing and Communications wrote:

I’d like to acknowledge and sincerely apologize for the impact recent PC CPU shipment delays are having on your business.... Despite our best efforts, we have not yet resolved this challenge....
Supply remains extremely tight in our PC business where we are operating with limited inventory buffers. This makes us less able to absorb the impact of any production variability, which we have experienced in the quarter. This has resulted in the shipment delays you are experiencing, which we appreciate is creating significant challenges for your business. Because the impact and revised shipment schedules vary, Intel representatives are reaching out with additional information and to answer your questions.

I wonder how much of this can be attributed to AMD forcing intel to sell 8 core CPUs at a price that intel had planned to charge for four core CPUs....

This can't be right...
https://www.techpowerup.com/261611/inte ... u-included

Yet ANOTHER 14 nm Skylake "generation" of Intel desktop CPUs in 2021???

2015 called...

Intel's 14 nm process will end up so incredibly optimized in 2021 ... that Intel will hardly be able to achieve better performance at 10 nm or finer nodes.

JustAnEngineer wrote:

This can't be right...
https://www.techpowerup.com/261611/inte ... u-included

Yet ANOTHER 14 nm Skylake "generation" of Intel desktop CPUs in 2021???

And this rumor is back:

https://www.techpowerup.com/261641/sams ... from-intel

I heard from an European vendor just about 2 months ago that sourcing on intel chips might be a problem for this one thing were going to be doing. I was like "uhh, that's odd..."

Kinda forgot about it, but that's interesting.

https://www.techpowerup.com/261987/inte ... april-2020
April 2020 launch for Comet Lake desktop CPUs.

https://www.techpowerup.com/262506/inte ... s-revealed

Built on a 14 nm-class silicon fabrication node, and featuring the same IPC as "Skylake," the 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" series will rely on aggressive power-management. The 10th generation Core K SKUs have a scorching 125 W TDP rating not just for the 10-core i9-10900K and 8-core i7-10700K, but also the 6-core i5-10600K.

10-90 = "Alarm", 10-70 = "Fire alarm", 10-60 = "Attempt to contact", 10-50 = "Accident", 10-40 = "Stolen vehicle", 10-32 = "Man with gun", 10-30 = "Illegal use of radio", 10-100= "Hot pursuit", 10-10 = "Out of service - subject to call", 10-9 = "Repeat", 10-7 = "Out of service - not subject to call", 10-6 = "Busy - unless urgent", 10-5 = "Relay", 10-4 = "OK", 10-3 = "Stop transmitting', 10-00 = "Officer needs all possible assistance"

125W TDP isn't that big of a deal; it's still easily manageable with an inexpensive air cooler. Heck, most of AMD's Bulldozer/Piledriver 8-core CPUs had 125W TDP.

With AMD at $46 and Intel at $59; my gut feeling is that Intel is a buy and AMD is a hold. I hope Intel manages to pull something out of its hat for this year. That said, I'd still buy AMD for a build .

Another socket change ...

JustAnEngineer wrote:

Intel is still having issues supplying its customers.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel ... -hp-lenovo

Intel's statement to THG has not aged very well.

300 watts!
https://www.techpowerup.com/262820/inte ... ption-wall
https://hothardware.com/news/intel-core ... under-load
Oof!

Wow. If true, that's a hellaciously bad look for them. Over double the power consumption of AMD (socket TDP limit for 3900X/3950X is 142 watts) with 2 to 6 fewer cores.

Waco wrote:

Wow. If true, that's a hellaciously bad look for them. Over double the power consumption of AMD (socket TDP limit for 3900X/3950X is 142 watts) with 2 to 6 fewer cores.

But is this power draw or TDP? The articles seem to intermingle the two ideas.

blastdoor wrote:

Waco wrote:

Wow. If true, that's a hellaciously bad look for them. Over double the power consumption of AMD (socket TDP limit for 3900X/3950X is 142 watts) with 2 to 6 fewer cores.

But is this power draw or TDP? The articles seem to intermingle the two ideas.

Given that TDP (for Intel) doesn't really mean anything, power draw is really all that matters. AMDs wattage limits are less than half what Intels are purported to be.

EDIT: I see the confusion. AMD limits socket power draw, I used TDP instead. I blame lack of coffee.

Too bad TR died just as this was all occurring, I wanted to see how chuckula would spin all these events.

blastdoor wrote:

Waco wrote:

Wow. If true, that's a hellaciously bad look for them. Over double the power consumption of AMD (socket TDP limit for 3900X/3950X is 142 watts) with 2 to 6 fewer cores.

But is this power draw or TDP? The articles seem to intermingle the two ideas.

This article is talking about the power draw the motherboards have to be able to handle... and points out that at 300W it's equivalent to the Threadripper 3970X 32 core processor which has a maximum power draw of under 300 Watts at full load across all cores.

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-10900k-10-core-cpu-300w-power-consumption/

K-L-Waster wrote:

blastdoor wrote:

Waco wrote:

Wow. If true, that's a hellaciously bad look for them. Over double the power consumption of AMD (socket TDP limit for 3900X/3950X is 142 watts) with 2 to 6 fewer cores.

But is this power draw or TDP? The articles seem to intermingle the two ideas.

This article is talking about the power draw the motherboards have to be able to handle... and points out that at 300W it's equivalent to the Threadripper 3970X 32 core processor which has a maximum power draw of under 300 Watts at full load across all cores.

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-10900k-10-core-cpu-300w-power-consumption/

Thanks!

cegras wrote:

Too bad TR died just as this was all occurring, I wanted to see how chuckula would spin all these events.

Perhaps there was a vast conspiracy by Intel to kill TR as a way to exfiltrate their special agent super dragon (aka chuckula)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15324/am ... oming-q1/2

To be taken with a grain of salt until actual reviews are published but mobile Ryzen 4800H beating the desktop i7-9700K?

Intel better have an answer in less than three months once that monster is unleashed. Otherwise, Intel. Decimated.

Igor_Kavinski wrote:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15324/amd-ryzen-4000-mobile-apus-7nm-8core-on-both-15w-and-45w-coming-q1/2

To be taken with a grain of salt until actual reviews are published but mobile Ryzen 4800H beating the desktop i7-9700K?

Intel better have an answer in less than three months once that monster is unleashed. Otherwise, Intel. Decimated.

It's not easy being a process node behind!

That's integrated GPU performance on 3DMark Fire Strike Physics. I'd take it with a pretty big truckload of salt.

No PCIe 4.0 for you!
https://www.techpowerup.com/263318/inte ... shed-to-q2

JustAnEngineer wrote:

No PCIe 4.0 for you!
https://www.techpowerup.com/263318/inte ... shed-to-q2

That was pretty obvious as that would require a complete re-work of the PCI controller on the CPU and platform. Intel wants to avoid sinking more R&D costs into their aging Skylake family. PCIe 4.0/5.0 will probably not show up on the mainstream Intel front until the first post-Skylake design that isn't a "slapping more cores" derivative.

Comet Lake is a dead-end, placeholder to keep-up appearances in the core-count war with AMD.

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-core ... marks-leak
Build yourself a system with a massive cooling system and game on!

JustAnEngineer wrote:

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-core-i7-10700kf-comet-lake-s-benchmarks-leak
Build yourself a system with a massive cooling system and game on!

Yeah, Intel is lucky. The P4 era didn't sink them so doesn't look like they are in much danger of losing credibility with the masses and especially their corporate customers. I remember when I got my Sempron, there was nothing from Intel that could touch it in that price point yet the computer market complex where I got it from had literally two or three computer shops dealing in AMD platform. Logically, AMD should have been flying off the shelves but that didn't happen. The masses will just ignorantly buy whatever their friends/dad/grand dad buy or recommend. Usually, conversation among the "common" people in most of the world goes like this:

"You know about AMD? I hear they are pretty fast. Maybe I should look into that."
"Nah. AMD is a pretty small almost unknown player. Go with the majority or you might face issues that no one will care to help you with."
"Yeah, I guess you are right. Thanks!".

AMD's got a LONG way to go before they get anywhere near Intel's mindshare among the general public.