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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:46 am

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AMD FX 9590 4.7/5GHZ Turbo CPU & ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z & Corsair H100 .... was $679 at NCIX but they sold out, I don't know if that was low enough for me but it was close enough for others.

p.s. still awaiting the budget from the op.


Without knowing how many were released, we could easily assume that AMD made very, very few of them. And my three year old, $200 2500k running at 4.5GHz is still faster. :)
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:47 am

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AMD FX 9590 4.7/5GHZ Turbo CPU & ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z & Corsair H100 .... was $679 at NCIX but they sold out, I don't know if that was low enough for me but it was close enough for others.

Newegg has a 9590 combo deal in that price range. The mobo is an ASRock and the cooler is an H60 though, so apples and oranges. They throw in a video card though!

That said, I can't in good conscience recommend the FX-9590. The 220W TDP pushes it firmly over the line into the realm of a "bragging rights" product, for people who (for whatever reason) want to be able to claim they've got the fastest (stock) AMD-based system. No way I'd want one of those toaster ovens in my home or office!
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:50 am

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AMD FX 9590 4.7/5GHZ Turbo CPU & ASUS Crosshair V Formula Z & Corsair H100 .... was $679 at NCIX but they sold out, I don't know if that was low enough for me but it was close enough for others.

p.s. still awaiting the budget from the op.

Total waste of money with those parts.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:52 am

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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:59 am

I would not buy this CPU even for a $1. A pointless increase of power consumption (this includes a power consumption by an air conditioner unit in my PC room) and a risk associated with using an almost-mandatory water cooling (I've seen these units killing expensive video cards by leaking coolant on them) are not worth it for me.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:08 pm

For around $200 I'd consider it, provided there's a way to cap the maximum multiplier to limit the TDP. At that point you've essentially got a cherry picked FX-8350.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:22 pm

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I would not buy this CPU even for a $1. A pointless increase of power consumption (this includes a power consumption by an air conditioner unit in my PC room) and a risk associated with using an almost-mandatory water cooling (I've seen these units killing expensive video cards by leaking coolant on them) are not worth it for me.
water cooling is almost eerily silent when done properly and worth so much more than the asking price, built a system years ago that water cooled, CPU, gfx, nb..... was awesome, ran like an FX 62 for a fraction of the price at the time but that was back when overclocking mattered and bottlenecks were readily in need of alleviating.

.... see now I'm thinking of pulling the parts and putting em on the 8320, still have 2 dual 120mm rads, the pump the blocks.


But it's not the cooling of the CPU... it's the cooling of the room he's worried about, and I would be too!
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:31 pm

I'm tempted to believe the greater majority of FX 8320/8350 users dont use the supplied cooler.
So AMD could make the processor more attractive by selling the 8320 at ~135, and the 8350 at $169 (-$10 from current prices)

AMD make the same profit, user save $10.. win win.
 
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:49 pm

:lol: I can physically notice the increased heat output (if I am not running the a/c room unit) of my Titan SC working at full load, in any part of my PC room (yes, it is small and yes, I do keep its door closed for several reasons). But that was not the point of my post.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:24 pm

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I really don't like when benchmark cherry picking starts happening. I agree that if you can manage $225 on the CPU then it's Intel all the way, but pointing to a single benchmark is pointless and it's only going to lead to some cherry picked benchmark that favors AMD's chips to get posted.

Also, OP may have a job and a life outside of TR forums, so hoping for an update from OP in the next five minutes or even five hours could be pointless too.
 
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:59 pm

Woah, there. Easy, boy. If you want to remind OP to post a budget every few posts, that's fine, I'll just go back to minding my own business. :D

So, OP, where's that budget? 8)
 
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:52 pm

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Airmantharp wrote:
But it's not the cooling of the CPU... it's the cooling of the room he's worried about, and I would be too!
this just proves you don't own what you are condemning, before you make this comment again put it in context, 220watts is 2 incandescent lightbulbs.... is your computer room so bad that you can't turn 2 lights on in it?... 1 it's ok, 2 it's suddenly a fire hazard....silly position.
I'm tempted to believe the greater majority of FX 8320/8350 users dont use the supplied cooler.
So AMD could make the processor more attractive by selling the 8320 at ~135, and the 8350 at $169 (-$10 from current prices)
Black box offerings (w/0 cooler)aren't about saving money they are about branding (offering up components for a premium) and it's likely the stock cooler doesn't cost $10 to equip so it'd cost money to offer up that much of a savings.

p.s. Op please if you see this, WE NEED A BUDGET TO WORK WITH.


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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:05 pm

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I really don't like when benchmark cherry picking starts happening.

That one benchmark is the poster-child for Intel's gaming advantage, but it's not an isolated example.

I'm trying to be unbiased and open-minded when I say that more games run better on Intel than they do on AMD, and that's using just FPS averages.
If we start to consider things like power draw, 99th percentile frame times, minimum FPS etc - it's even harder to recommend AMD for gaming.

The situation where AMD has an advantage is gaming whilst streaming, because Intel stops (affordably) at four cores, whilst the FX-8350 can run a four-thread game and encode/upload your video stream on the fly without taking such a significant performance hit.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:19 pm

~$120 saved on the CPU would go toward the GPU.

i7-3770 + GTX-660 ti / 290 + 250
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FX-8350 + GTX-770 / 180 + 380

That leave you about ~180 for MB+Ram . $70 for 8GB and $110 for a MB

The Fx-8350 would be better at gaming, unless the goal is to play Startcraft at 1024x768 ...
 
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Re: Intel vs AMD

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The Fx-8350 would be better at gaming, unless the goal is to play Startcraft at 1024x768 ...

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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:35 pm

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I'm tempted to believe the greater majority of FX 8320/8350 users dont use the supplied cooler.

I sure don't. Sure, the stock cooler will keep the CPU temps within spec at stock speeds. But you have to be OK with having a dental drill running inside your case whenever the CPU is under load. Fortunately, Coolermaster has several affordable alternatives which will get the job done at very reasonable cost.

Back in the day, "OEM" CPUs were widely available. We seem to have gotten away from this in the desktop space (it still seems to be common for server CPUs though).
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:20 pm

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~$120 saved on the CPU would go toward the GPU.

i7-3770 + GTX-660 ti / 290 + 250
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FX-8350 + GTX-770 / 180 + 380

That leave you about ~180 for MB+Ram . $70 for 8GB and $110 for a MB

The Fx-8350 would be better at gaming, unless the goal is to play Startcraft at 1024x768 ...

I had another post about graphics and i was thinking the HD 7950, and if i went with AMD my friend could easily afford it. But i just dont know if the Intel would be better for next gen gaming since AMD is getting all the deals with companies...
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:34 pm

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I had another post about graphics and i was thinking the HD 7950, and if i went with AMD my friend could easily afford it. But i just dont know if the Intel would be better for next gen gaming since AMD is getting all the deals with companies...


Now I see where you're coming from- and it's nothing to worry about. The architectures in the consoles and the architectures in the FX CPUs are only related by three letters- A, M, and D.

The consoles use eight discrete mobile type (think tablets) cores, not dissimilar to the new Atoms from Intel or the new ARM cores from the likes of Apple, Samsung and Qualcomm. The FX CPUs use modules with two ALU units and one FPU (which is what games use the most), meaning that an 'eight-core' four-module FX-8350 only has four FPUs, just like an Intel quad core. The FX has extra ALUs (presenting themselves as cores), and the Intel could have Hyper-threading, which is also presented as extra cores. Even without Hyper-threading, though, the Intel CPUs are faster, stock vs. stock, and overclocked vs. overclocked. AMD really is just that far behind.

Getting at least a base quad-core Intel k-series CPU is absolutely worth it. If it can't be afforded immediately, save up.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:37 pm

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The situation where AMD has an advantage is gaming whilst streaming, because Intel stops (affordably) at four cores, whilst the FX-8350 can run a four-thread game and encode/upload your video stream on the fly without taking such a significant performance hit.

There is no advantage for AMD. The exact opposite is true. The FX-8350 is destroyed by a quad 3770K when encoding/gaming.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:49 pm

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The FX-8350 is destroyed by a quad 3770K when encoding/gaming.

As it should be, given that the FX-8350 is less than 2/3 the price of the 3770K...
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:55 pm

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The FX-8350 is destroyed by a quad 3770K when encoding/gaming.

As it should be, given that the FX-8350 is less than 2/3 the price of the 3770K...

Do I really need to point out the i5-2400 in that comparison? :P
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:31 pm

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The FX-8350 is destroyed by a quad 3770K when encoding/gaming.

As it should be, given that the FX-8350 is less than 2/3 the price of the 3770K...

Do I really need to point out the i5-2400 in that comparison? :P

Yes, for gaming the i5-2400 is indeed a better choice at the $200 price point. If the primary use wasn't gaming, then the picture would be less clear since the FX-8350 beats the i5-2400 at non-gaming tasks...
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:49 pm

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Yes, for gaming the i5-2400 is indeed a better choice at the $200 price point. If the primary use wasn't gaming, then the picture would be less clear since the FX-8350 beats the i5-2400 at non-gaming tasks...


And it has virtualization and ECC support! Wish Intel would do that on a non-Xeon branded part. Or an unlocked Xeon part, that'd fly too.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:57 pm

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Yes, for gaming the i5-2400 is indeed a better choice at the $200 price point. If the primary use wasn't gaming, then the picture would be less clear since the FX-8350 beats the i5-2400 at non-gaming tasks...

And it has virtualization and ECC support! Wish Intel would do that on a non-Xeon branded part. Or an unlocked Xeon part, that'd fly too.

i5-2400 actually has the virtualization; nice to see that Intel finally decided a couple of years back that some desktop users might actually want that. AFAIK it is still a no-go on ECC support unless you get a Xeon though.
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Re: Intel vs AMD

Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:37 pm

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I had another post about graphics and i was thinking the HD 7950, and if i went with AMD my friend could easily afford it. But i just dont know if the Intel would be better for next gen gaming since AMD is getting all the deals with companies...
Getting at least a base quad-core Intel k-series CPU is absolutely worth it. If it can't be afforded immediately, save up.

This. If you want to save money on CPU, get the 3570k instead of the 3770k. Or, even - brace yourself - get the best CPU you can now (3770k or 4770k) and get a $200 graphics card now and come a year or two from now he can upgrade the graphics and the CPU will still be totally adequate. It's much easier and cheaper to upgrade a GPU than a CPU, and it's pretty likely that whatever CPU you get will be in service longer than the GPU. So get the best CPU you can. The FX 8350 - or any FX for that matter - is priced low for a reason: it just isn't as good as what Intel is selling.

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