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DancinJack wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

The majority of the places I've worked discouraged (and in at least a couple of cases prohibited) the use of "hard tabs". Except in makefiles, of course, where they are an essential part of the syntax...

I wonder how many software installing from source issues are caused by beginners?

If I understand you correctly, not many because beginners usually don't get code into production.

Redocbew wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

Also correlated with Redocbew's post, no matter what style you choose, if you get a job developing professionally odds are good you'll be asked to change it anyway.

Yeah, it does tend to vary. I often use two-space indents when writing new code. In addition to stripping trailing whitespace, a features that converts tabs to space is useful also. For new projects which have mismatched indents(WTF! I still can't get over this one.) that's usually one of the first things I'll do. For large projects which are already entrenched it pays to just get used to whatever the current standard practice is and just go with that.

/* kate: replace-tabs on; indent-width 4; */

/* kate: replace-tabs off; indent-width 4; */

whm1974 wrote:

DancinJack wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

I wonder how many software installing from source issues are caused by beginners?

If I understand you correctly, not many because beginners usually don't get code into production.

I was refer to folks who install from source who are not programmers. Which I done before by strictly following well written instructions to the letter.

just brew it! wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

DancinJack wrote:

If I understand you correctly, not many because beginners usually don't get code into production.

I was refer to folks who install from source who are not programmers. Which I done before by strictly following well written instructions to the letter.

I'm pretty sure you're part of a very small minority.

whm1974 wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

I'm pretty sure you're part of a very small minority.

I was using Linux Mint back when they didn't do in place upgrades. I wanted the latest kernel so...

just brew it! wrote:

Some editors support special comments, which if placed somewhere in the source file will automatically configure the editor's tab settings.

just brew it! wrote:

https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/

(Sorry for dragging this thread further off-topic, I'll stop now.)

derFunkenstein wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/

(Sorry for dragging this thread further off-topic, I'll stop now.)

what about tabs that the IDE converts to spaces? Visual Studio (apparently) does this, and so do others.

morphine wrote:

derFunkenstein wrote:

just brew it! wrote:

https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/

(Sorry for dragging this thread further off-topic, I'll stop now.)

what about tabs that the IDE converts to spaces? Visual Studio (apparently) does this, and so do others.

IDEs that do that automatically should be shot. Reiteration: the whole point of having tabs is that the IDE can display them as the user desires and everyone's happy.

derFunkenstein wrote:

I cannot think of anything less fun than that.

incidentally that's why I hate web development.

g++ derFunkgotpwned.cpp  -o derFunkgotpwned
./ derFunkgotpwned
OMG FUNK GOT PWNED 

DancinJack wrote:

derFunkenstein wrote:

I cannot think of anything less fun than that.

incidentally that's why I hate web development.

That's how probably many, many of the devs in these forums learned (including me). For me it was Gentoo + Emacs + GCC/g++ (C/C++ in my case)

Code: Select all

g++ derFunkgotpwned.cpp  -o derFunkgotpwned
./ derFunkgotpwned
OMG FUNK GOT PWNED 

Sweet example, huh?

whm1974 wrote:

While I may or may not switched to using an IDE such as Code::Blocks as I advance, I'm doing things the hard way on purpose so I can get the hard stuff out of way early so I can learn a lot more.

DancinJack wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

While I may or may not switched to using an IDE such as Code::Blocks as I advance, I'm doing things the hard way on purpose so I can get the hard stuff out of way early so I can learn a lot more.

Believe me when I say, compiling and running programs from the command line and makefiles is not The Hard Part. Just keep pluggin' away.

derFunkenstein wrote:

I didn't say bad, I said "not fun".

#include<stdio.h>

main()
{
  int number;
  printf( & quot; Type a number: & quot;);
  scanf( & quot; % d & quot;, & amp; number);

  /* check whether the number is negative number */
  if (number & lt; 0) {
    /* If it is a negative then convert it into positive. */   
    number = -number;  
    printf( & quot; The absolute value is % d\ n & quot;, number);
  }
  grtch();
} 

gcc cifstatement.c
cifstatement.c:3:1: warning: return type defaults to ‘int’ [-Wimplicit-int]
main()
^~~~
cifstatement.c: In function ‘main’:
cifstatement.c:6:13: error: ‘quot’ undeclared (first use in this function)
printf( & quot; Type a number: & quot;);
^~~~
cifstatement.c:6:13: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in
cifstatement.c:6:17: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘;’ token
printf( & quot; Type a number: & quot;);
^
cifstatement.c:7:16: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘;’ token
scanf( & quot; % d & quot;, & amp; number);
^
cifstatement.c:10:16: error: ‘lt’ undeclared (first use in this function)
if (number & lt; 0) {
^~
cifstatement.c:10:18: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘;’ token
if (number & lt; 0) {
^
cifstatement.c:13:19: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘;’ token
printf( & quot; The absolute value is % d\ n & quot;, number);
^
cifstatement.c:13:46: error: stray ‘\’ in program
printf( & quot; The absolute value is % d\ n & quot;, number);
^
cifstatement.c:15:3: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘grtch’; did you mean ‘getc’? [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
grtch();
^~~~~
getc

whm1974 wrote:

This is driving nuts as I keep making changes but still will not compile. Do I need to install anything else to make this work?

printf("The absolute value is %d\n", number);

Vhalidictes wrote:

While I'm the last person who should be looking at syntax and won't examine that part, IIRC the errors about "lt" (less-than?) and "grtch" not existing are representative of a missing function and/or library.

The compiler should in theory always know what you're talking about. It might be that you need more here than stdio.h

whm1974 wrote:

Vhalidictes wrote:

While I'm the last person who should be looking at syntax and won't examine that part, IIRC the errors about "lt" (less-than?) and "grtch" not existing are representative of a missing function and/or library.

The compiler should in theory always know what you're talking about. It might be that you need more here than stdio.h

Yeah I've gotten that 1t and grtch() don't exist and that is why I'm wondering if I need other stuff installed. Maybe I'll look at other manuals I found and start over. I put this free one on my Kindle so I can read it on my to and from groups:
https://www.thecrazyprogrammer.com/2015 ... nners.html

srg86 wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

Vhalidictes wrote:

While I'm the last person who should be looking at syntax and won't examine that part, IIRC the errors about "lt" (less-than?) and "grtch" not existing are representative of a missing function and/or library.

The compiler should in theory always know what you're talking about. It might be that you need more here than stdio.h

Yeah I've gotten that 1t and grtch() don't exist and that is why I'm wondering if I need other stuff installed. Maybe I'll look at other manuals I found and start over. I put this free one on my Kindle so I can read it on my to and from groups:
https://www.thecrazyprogrammer.com/2015 ... nners.html

I don't think you need anything more installed, the problem is that page rendering has mangled the code.

Redocbew wrote:

Let me ask, so I can get a better picture of what's going on: You're C code is using "&quot" in place of the single quote character? Or was that just an artifact of placing it within the browser?

Redocbew wrote:

Let me ask, so I can get a better picture of what's going on: You're C code is using "&quot" in place of the single quote character? Or was that just an artifact of placing it within the browser?

If it does include the "&quot", then replace all the references for those, and the less than symbol, and any others you have in there with their actual characters. C is not a markup language like HTML, so there's no need to escape characters in this way in order for them to be interpreted properly.