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The Egg wrote:An amp with an FM receiver would then just be a "Receiver", would it not? Yamaha still has a lineup of purely stereo receivers, but I suppose you could also do a separate amp and tuner for probably substantially more money.
SecretSquirrel wrote:The Egg wrote:An amp with an FM receiver would then just be a "Receiver", would it not? Yamaha still has a lineup of purely stereo receivers, but I suppose you could also do a separate amp and tuner for probably substantially more money.
You missed the part about "small digital amp". I've got a receiver already. The point was to reclaim some space and get rid of some heat.
--SS
The Egg wrote:SecretSquirrel wrote:The Egg wrote:An amp with an FM receiver would then just be a "Receiver", would it not? Yamaha still has a lineup of purely stereo receivers, but I suppose you could also do a separate amp and tuner for probably substantially more money.
You missed the part about "small digital amp". I've got a receiver already. The point was to reclaim some space and get rid of some heat.
--SS
I'm lost. How are you going to reclaim space and get rid of heat while retaining the receiver and adding another device?
morphine wrote:SS, the problem with your question is the FM receiver capability. That's being dropped everywhere. Here's what I found after some Google searching:
These are the droids you're looking for, but they're expen$$ive:
Cambridge Audio One: https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products ... cinema/one
Harman Kardon MAS 102: http://www.harmankardon.com/stereo-ampl ... olor=Black
A little big:
Panasonic SA-XR50S: https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-SA-XR5 ... op?ie=UTF8
Harman Kardon 3700: http://www.harmankardon.com/stereo-ampl ... ck#start=1
Marantz NR1504: https://www.amazon.com/Marantz-NR1504-C ... B00BLZDKX2
Emotiva TA-100: https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers ... ros/ta-100
yogibbear wrote:There is no such thing.
Big = quiet and good airflow + low heat + options.
Small = tradeoffs on quality / heat / noise / lack of options / $$$ for form factor / non-standard inputs/compatibility.
Just buy the sexiest looking receiver you can and spend money on better furniture or wall fittings to cleanup your office. Chasing unicorns is correct otherwise.
SecretSquirrel wrote:yogibbear wrote:There is no such thing.
Big = quiet and good airflow + low heat + options.
Small = tradeoffs on quality / heat / noise / lack of options / $$$ for form factor / non-standard inputs/compatibility.
Just buy the sexiest looking receiver you can and spend money on better furniture or wall fittings to cleanup your office. Chasing unicorns is correct otherwise.
Sure, it's all a set of trade offs. I'm trading the increase in THD that comes with a digital amp for size and efficiency. My office has pretty lousy acoustics, lots of echo, and there is nothing I can do about it. I've already got furniture and I expect my office looks quite a bit nicer than the average nerd office.
I've got the receiver already. It works fine. If the unicorn exists, I'd consider replacing it as it would be better, given the desired criteria. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy to stay with what I've got. This was simply a "hey, has anybody stumbled across this thing?" question.
--SS
yogibbear wrote:SecretSquirrel wrote:yogibbear wrote:There is no such thing.
Big = quiet and good airflow + low heat + options.
Small = tradeoffs on quality / heat / noise / lack of options / $$$ for form factor / non-standard inputs/compatibility.
Just buy the sexiest looking receiver you can and spend money on better furniture or wall fittings to cleanup your office. Chasing unicorns is correct otherwise.
Sure, it's all a set of trade offs. I'm trading the increase in THD that comes with a digital amp for size and efficiency. My office has pretty lousy acoustics, lots of echo, and there is nothing I can do about it. I've already got furniture and I expect my office looks quite a bit nicer than the average nerd office.
I've got the receiver already. It works fine. If the unicorn exists, I'd consider replacing it as it would be better, given the desired criteria. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy to stay with what I've got. This was simply a "hey, has anybody stumbled across this thing?" question.
--SS
You said you want to replace the JVC. I'm saying buy the sexiest big receiver (Onkyo / Pioneer / Yamaha / whatever) as it'll have all the inputs you want, do exactly what you want, and not be ridiculously expensive or result in tradeoffs. I know your OP started with small, hence why I'm saying it doesn't exist.
just brew it! wrote:@The Egg - Inconsistent use of the word "receiver" seems to be confusing you. He's referring to just the FM capability, you're using it in the traditional sense of am amp with a tuner built in.
He wants to downsize his receiver (traditional use of the word), replacing the existing unit with one that is physically smaller and more power efficient.
The Egg wrote:just brew it! wrote:@The Egg - Inconsistent use of the word "receiver" seems to be confusing you. He's referring to just the FM capability, you're using it in the traditional sense of am amp with a tuner built in.
He wants to downsize his receiver (traditional use of the word), replacing the existing unit with one that is physically smaller and more power efficient.
I followed the FM tuner vs full Receiver, I was just confused by the wording of the responses (already having his JVC receiver while simultaneously getting rid of it), in combination with being tired and not having any coffee yet.
SS - If your PC is the source, you could just use a USB FM tuner such as this, and then whatever combination of DAC+AMP you want. I found this FX Audio combo unit which looks okay. I use a Schiit Modi 2 Uber for my headphone amp, which should work just as well for whatever you use.
Acidicheartburn wrote:The Emotiva TA-100 amp seems to have everything you're looking for except a small footprint. It will sound MUCH better than that old JVC receiver, though. It's $399, though you never mentioned price.
SecretSquirrel wrote:Acidicheartburn wrote:The Emotiva TA-100 amp seems to have everything you're looking for except a small footprint. It will sound MUCH better than that old JVC receiver, though. It's $399, though you never mentioned price.
My ears are decent, but I doubt I can hear the difference between 0.02%THD and 0.0015% THD. DACs are likely better, but the room is going to color the sound way more than the DACs/amp ever will (unless they just downright suck).
Price isn't really a factor. I make enough to afford the occasional toy. Value, however, is important. Starting from a working if somewhat slightly less than desired setup makes the value equation much harder to satisfy. $399 is not worth it at this point. I've got a bunch of other expensive things I'd rather get first. Canon XA20 or XA25 is high on that list, but that's another story.
--SS
Acidicheartburn wrote:SecretSquirrel wrote:Acidicheartburn wrote:The Emotiva TA-100 amp seems to have everything you're looking for except a small footprint. It will sound MUCH better than that old JVC receiver, though. It's $399, though you never mentioned price.
My ears are decent, but I doubt I can hear the difference between 0.02%THD and 0.0015% THD. DACs are likely better, but the room is going to color the sound way more than the DACs/amp ever will (unless they just downright suck).
Price isn't really a factor. I make enough to afford the occasional toy. Value, however, is important. Starting from a working if somewhat slightly less than desired setup makes the value equation much harder to satisfy. $399 is not worth it at this point. I've got a bunch of other expensive things I'd rather get first. Canon XA20 or XA25 is high on that list, but that's another story.
--SS
Sound quality isn't all about measurable specs. I'm 100% certain that Emotiva will sound leagues better.
ludi wrote:Once I saw frumper15's Crutchfield link, I got clued into the right search terms, which are (apparently) "micro receiver." Lo and behold:
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-CRX-332BL ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bluetooth-S ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Theater-Receiver ... o+receiver
SecretSquirrel wrote:ludi wrote:Once I saw frumper15's Crutchfield link, I got clued into the right search terms, which are (apparently) "micro receiver." Lo and behold:
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-CRX-332BL ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bluetooth-S ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Theater-Receiver ... o+receiver
None of which accept any sort of digital in and only the Sony accepts analog in.
SecretSquirrel wrote:ludi wrote:Once I saw frumper15's Crutchfield link, I got clued into the right search terms, which are (apparently) "micro receiver." Lo and behold:
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-CRX-332BL ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bluetooth-S ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Theater-Receiver ... o+receiver
None of which accept any sort of digital in and only the Sony accepts analog in.
ludi wrote:SecretSquirrel wrote:ludi wrote:Once I saw frumper15's Crutchfield link, I got clued into the right search terms, which are (apparently) "micro receiver." Lo and behold:
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-CRX-332BL ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bluetooth-S ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Theater-Receiver ... o+receiver
None of which accept any sort of digital in and only the Sony accepts analog in.
Ah, you're right. However, that was the cheaper end of the range -- search those same terms and there are more options with more features (but higher prices).
DPete27 wrote:SecretSquirrel wrote:ludi wrote:Once I saw frumper15's Crutchfield link, I got clued into the right search terms, which are (apparently) "micro receiver." Lo and behold:
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-CRX-332BL ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bluetooth-S ... o+receiver
https://www.amazon.com/Theater-Receiver ... o+receiver
None of which accept any sort of digital in and only the Sony accepts analog in.
All 3 accept USB inputs. That's digital.
Other than that, I'm staying out of this bc I'm still confused what you want in a product and what you're intending to keep/get rid of in your existing setup. Most recievers these days have an AM/FM tuner built in. So it makes sense to me to get rid of your amp AND your FM radio and replace them with a single unit. Surely that saves space.
SecretSquirrel wrote:0) digital amp -- class D, class T, whatever you want to call it
YES - 64W Digital Stereo Amplifier
1) two channels -- No point in paying for channels I'll never use
YES
2) optical input -- no worries about hum or other noise
YES-
1x Digital Coaxial In
1x Digital Optical In
3) FM receiver -- yes, I still listen to the radio on occasion and online streams suck
YES - Tuner -FM with 30 presets
4) AUX input -- the need to plug a random audio source in comes up enough that this is desirable.
YES - 1x RCA Stereo Audio In
1x 3.5 mm Stereo Audio In
Dposcorp wrote:Is this a winner?
Yamaha CRX-N560BL Network CD Receiver (Black) B&H # YACRXN560BL MFR # CRX-N560BL - In stock for $450
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... eiver.htmlSecretSquirrel wrote:0) digital amp -- class D, class T, whatever you want to call it
YES - 64W Digital Stereo Amplifier
1) two channels -- No point in paying for channels I'll never use
YES
2) optical input -- no worries about hum or other noise
YES-
1x Digital Coaxial In
1x Digital Optical In
3) FM receiver -- yes, I still listen to the radio on occasion and online streams suck
YES - Tuner -FM with 30 presets
4) AUX input -- the need to plug a random audio source in comes up enough that this is desirable.
YES - 1x RCA Stereo Audio In
1x 3.5 mm Stereo Audio In
Did you give a budget, cause if not, this looks like everything you want, and then some.
Even the size is small, and I found a review.
http://www.hifi-review.net/103-yamaha-crx-n560d.html