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End User wrote:Frugal wrote:And how is the 3.5mm stereo plug a poor connector design? I'm not saying it's perfect, but please enlighten us about what is wrong with it.
It is redundant. Everything can be done with either Type-C or Lightning.
just brew it! wrote:Buy a phone that gives you the connectivity you want
End User wrote:strangerguy wrote:whm1974 wrote:And besides, why replace a perfect set headphones?
Sure will do, once all headphones sound the same and money falls from the sky.
My bad. I just looked into a bunch of unboxing videos and was shocked to find out that the bulk of the Android phones I checked did not ship with headphones. The only one I found in my brief search was the Galaxy S7. Interesting. Price sensitivity is definitely a thing on the Android side with, and this is a guess, low end phones such as whm1974's being the majority of phones sold. Removal of the 3.5mm port on Android devices is not going to happen anytime soon.
It is crazy how cheap Android phones can get. My Jaybird X2 Bluetooth headphones are more than whm1974's phone.
The 3.5mm is definitely redundant on Apple products. Apple can kill the 3.5 mm port because a) they ship decent headphones with every iPhone b) their customer base can afford to buy Lightning or Bluetooth headphones.
End User wrote:My bad. I just looked into a bunch of unboxing videos and was shocked to find out that the bulk of the Android phones I checked did not ship with headphones. The only one I found in my brief search was the Galaxy S7. Interesting. Price sensitivity is definitely a thing on the Android side with, and this is a guess, low end phones such as whm1974's being the majority of phones sold. Removal of the 3.5mm port on Android devices is not going to happen anytime soon.
It is crazy how cheap Android phones can get. My Jaybird X2 Bluetooth headphones are more than whm1974's phone.
The 3.5mm is definitely redundant on Apple products. Apple can kill the 3.5 mm port because a) they ship decent headphones with every iPhone b) their customer base can afford to buy Lightning or Bluetooth headphones.
End User wrote:just brew it! wrote:Buy a phone that gives you the connectivity you want
I use Bluetooth headphones so I don't share your obsession with the 3.5mm port.
End User wrote:just brew it! wrote:Buy a phone that gives you the connectivity you want
I use Bluetooth headphones so I don't share your obsession with the 3.5mm port.
End User wrote:just brew it! wrote:Buy a phone that gives you the connectivity you want
I use Bluetooth headphones so I don't share your obsession with the 3.5mm port.
synthtel2 wrote:End User wrote:My bad. I just looked into a bunch of unboxing videos and was shocked to find out that the bulk of the Android phones I checked did not ship with headphones. The only one I found in my brief search was the Galaxy S7. Interesting. Price sensitivity is definitely a thing on the Android side with, and this is a guess, low end phones such as whm1974's being the majority of phones sold. Removal of the 3.5mm port on Android devices is not going to happen anytime soon.
It is crazy how cheap Android phones can get. My Jaybird X2 Bluetooth headphones are more than whm1974's phone.
The 3.5mm is definitely redundant on Apple products. Apple can kill the 3.5 mm port because a) they ship decent headphones with every iPhone b) their customer base can afford to buy Lightning or Bluetooth headphones.
Compose this with the rest of the thread and you get a thinly veiled "anyone poor enough to care about the disappearance of the 3.5mm port is irrelevant."
whm1974 wrote:I'm not poor myself, but I do live on a fixed income and there is no way I am going to buy new headphone(or for that matter Apple products) just because a few people are demanding that the just fine 3.5mm jack be ditched.
Glorious wrote:whm1974 wrote:I'm not poor myself, but I do live on a fixed income and there is no way I am going to buy new headphone(or for that matter Apple products) just because a few people are demanding that the just fine 3.5mm jack be ditched.
You don't understand.
Bluetooth has a "richer, warmer" sound only when played by devices that don't have their aural profile contaminated by other icky holes in the device, a phenomenon which is only worsened when filthy peasants can be seen walking around using multi-port devices with archaic listening devices, disrupting auric harmony for everyone who actually matters.
just brew it! wrote:The Apple faithful will buy it anyway. I suspect it will push quite a few people who are on the fence over to the Android camp though, or at least cause them to postpone upgrading their phone.
just brew it! wrote:The Apple faithful will buy it anyway. I suspect it will push quite a few people who are on the fence over to the Android camp though, or at least cause them to postpone upgrading their phone.
superjawes wrote:I've never considered myself "faithful" to Apple, but I have been happy with the iPhones I had. With yesterday's announcement, I decided to pick up an 6s and wait ~2 years. If the 3.5mm returns, good deal. If not, I'll be out.
End User wrote:
It is crazy how cheap Android phones can get. My Jaybird X2 Bluetooth headphones are more than whm1974's phone.
HERETIC wrote:End User wrote:
It is crazy how cheap Android phones can get. My Jaybird X2 Bluetooth headphones are more than whm1974's phone.
Replacing cracked glass on a iphone costs more than whm1974's phone.
The Egg wrote:superjawes wrote:I've never considered myself "faithful" to Apple, but I have been happy with the iPhones I had. With yesterday's announcement, I decided to pick up an 6s and wait ~2 years. If the 3.5mm returns, good deal. If not, I'll be out.
I plan to use mine until the bitter end (hopefully 5+ years like with the 4S). When the battery starts to go, I'll get it replaced.
I think we've rapidly hit the point of diminishing returns for smartphones, and I'm not sure if anyone in the industry has noticed. Unless another use-case is created (something with virtual reality?), I can't imagine why more processing power would be needed.
Chrispy_ wrote:There is literally no value argument for having an expensive phone anymore; $150 will get you a phone that would have been considered flagship 3 years ago, and there are few, if any apps that genuinely need the CPU and GPU power of anything over $150 these days.
The only reason to spend more than that these days is:
1) Irrational desire to have the best, latest, regardless of need
2) A more expensive phone has a unique feature that you can't get on budget phones.
The iPhone7 has no USP. Removing the headphone port is literally the only change of note, and that's not exactly a feature.
The Samsung S7 Edge has no USP. The curved screen is quantifiably inferior to the flatter, higher-dpi screen in the normal S7
Phones have stopped evolving in huge leaps and bounds. We're now squarely in the era of tinkering and fettling with the same unchanged design. The reason there are differences now are because the manufacturers have run out of sensible ideas. Now they're just trying crazy ones to try and differentiate themselves from everything else on the market.
Chrispy_ wrote:There is literally no value argument for having an expensive phone anymore; $150 will get you a phone that would have been considered flagship 3 years ago, and there are few, if any apps that genuinely need the CPU and GPU power of anything over $150 these days.
Chrispy_ wrote:The iPhone7 has no USP.
just brew it! wrote:Oh, jeez... it didn't even occur to me that Apple would use the SAME Lightning jack as both the wired headphone port and the charging port.
So if you want to use headphones while charging your iPhone 7 you either must use Bluetooth headphones, or a splitter dongle. If your wired headphones are 3.5mm you also need a Lightning to 3.5mm dongle, in addition to the splitter dongle.
This is truly moronic.
travbrad wrote:just brew it! wrote:Oh, jeez... it didn't even occur to me that Apple would use the SAME Lightning jack as both the wired headphone port and the charging port.
So if you want to use headphones while charging your iPhone 7 you either must use Bluetooth headphones, or a splitter dongle. If your wired headphones are 3.5mm you also need a Lightning to 3.5mm dongle, in addition to the splitter dongle.
This is truly moronic.
seankay wrote:As much as I have analyzed it, they just want to bring the wireless culture in already and definitely they would love to be called the pioneers!
just brew it! wrote:I suspect it will push quite a few people who are on the fence over to the Android camp though, or at least cause them to postpone upgrading their phone.
tanker27 wrote:just brew it! wrote:I suspect it will push quite a few people who are on the fence over to the Android camp though, or at least cause them to postpone upgrading their phone.
The only reason that the majority of people are kept away from Android is fragmentation.
Ikepuska wrote:It is theoretically possible, but not currently in spec to send pure modulated audio signals over USB C. You cannot do this over lightning because of the pinout. Which means by definition that you need a DAC either in the cable or in the headphones.
