Personal computing discussed
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morphine wrote:I should note that "external soundcard/DAC" does not imply "audiophile." I'm just putting this out here lest people think that the discussion is about going from $50-$100 soundcards to $500-$1000 dedicated DACs.
LostCat wrote:I always find it weird that these discussions often seem to just skip past receivers.
Airmantharp wrote:GPU fusion with the CPU is still a memory revolution or two away; one requires some bandwidth but is intensely latency sensitive, while the other requires as much bandwidth as it can get and couldn't give a rats about latency. These are two opposing design goals, and any solution that 'splits the middle' will remain far from optimal.
just brew it! wrote:Airmantharp wrote:GPU fusion with the CPU is still a memory revolution or two away; one requires some bandwidth but is intensely latency sensitive, while the other requires as much bandwidth as it can get and couldn't give a rats about latency. These are two opposing design goals, and any solution that 'splits the middle' will remain far from optimal.
Give the IGP its own DRAM and you solve that issue. I think we may start seeing more solutions like that Intel/AMD MCM.
DancinJack wrote:I don't think JBI meant specifically DRAM, but rather give the IGP its own dedicated pool of low-latency, high bandwidth memory like Intel's EDRAM and such. Also similar to, at least from what we have seen, the new joint AMD-Intel Core+Vega+HBM.
whm1974 wrote:Other then laptops and SFFs with no room for dGPUs, I really don't see a use for this outside of that.
LostCat wrote:whm1974 wrote:Other then laptops and SFFs with no room for dGPUs, I really don't see a use for this outside of that.
Most people don't buy laptops with dGPUs anymore in the first place, so that's kind of the point.
And memory bandwidth is pretty much the biggest sticking point for iGPUs and dGPUs. I'm all about replacing it with HBM2 if they can drop costs.
whm1974 wrote:Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for that as well but I simply don't see iGPUs completely replacing dGPUs at all.
ludi wrote:whm1974 wrote:Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for that as well but I simply don't see iGPUs completely replacing dGPUs at all.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272 ... sktop-pcs/
Global desktop PC sales decline every year, and the majority of those are corporate/office machines with Intel IGPUs. dGPUs won't disappear entirely but as someone else noted up-thread, they're being crowded into an ever-smaller and extremely specialized niche.
ludi wrote:whm1974 wrote:Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for that as well but I simply don't see iGPUs completely replacing dGPUs at all.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272 ... sktop-pcs/
Global desktop PC sales decline every year, and the majority of those are corporate/office machines with Intel IGPUs. dGPUs won't disappear entirely but as someone else noted up-thread, they're being crowded into an ever-smaller and extremely specialized niche.
derFunkenstein wrote:ludi wrote:whm1974 wrote:Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for that as well but I simply don't see iGPUs completely replacing dGPUs at all.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272 ... sktop-pcs/
Global desktop PC sales decline every year, and the majority of those are corporate/office machines with Intel IGPUs. dGPUs won't disappear entirely but as someone else noted up-thread, they're being crowded into an ever-smaller and extremely specialized niche.
So are you saying that PC Gaming is Dying?
derFunkenstein wrote:So are you saying that PC Gaming is Dying?
whm1974 wrote:ludi wrote:Unfortunately I think you are right. I say unfortunately because I'm afraid that dGPUs will end up priced well out the reach of people who have use for them or may need them badly.
ludi wrote:derFunkenstein wrote:So are you saying that PC Gaming is Dying?whm1974 wrote:ludi wrote:Unfortunately I think you are right. I say unfortunately because I'm afraid that dGPUs will end up priced well out the reach of people who have use for them or may need them badly.
Not necessarily. The likely trajectory is that iGPUs will become powerful enough to displace most ordinary needs we now have for them, and the people who buy dGPUs will be the ones blowing a small fortune on 8K gaming setups and 3D CAD/GIS.
I recently downloaded the original FarCry (released: March 2004) from GoG and, for curiosity's sake, played through it on near-maximum settings using a laptop Intel HD3000 graphics (Sandy Bridge i7, c.a. 2011). That game would really warm up a higher-end GPU from that era, yet within six years an iGPU could run it smoothly.
whm1974 wrote:I highly doubt as Gaming PCs are highly useful for other things. Although it does that is getting harder to convince "Console Peasants" of that.
LostCat wrote:whm1974 wrote:I highly doubt as Gaming PCs are highly useful for other things. Although it does that is getting harder to convince "Console Peasants" of that.
hell yeah I don't even intend to use my upper mid range gaming (or is it high end? hell I don't even know anymore) PC for anything at all anymore, except the games I already have on it of course. And the internet of course.
LostCat wrote:whm1974 wrote:I highly doubt as Gaming PCs are highly useful for other things. Although it does that is getting harder to convince "Console Peasants" of that.
hell yeah I don't even intend to use my upper mid range gaming (or is it high end? hell I don't even know anymore) PC for anything at all anymore, except the games I already have on it of course. And the internet of course.
ludi wrote:derFunkenstein wrote:So are you saying that PC Gaming is Dying?
derFunkenstein wrote:He's saying PCs are useful for other things besides gaming. I think maybe he didn't phrase it clearly because I read it the other way.