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LostCat wrote:The processors will likely still run Windows 7 and 8 fine, and even get updates for them.
MS just won't guarantee the OSes work as intended for said procs.
ronch wrote:It's not just me though. Companies that rely on custom software that has been tested to work with 7 will have to redo testing and validation with 10.
just brew it! wrote:TBH it really isn't reasonable to expect MS to keep updating a 7 year old OS to fully support new hardware.
It may not be as simple as a device driver. New architectural features in the CPU may require support in the CPU context switch logic and/or scheduler.
If newer versions of Windows piss you off that much, then either stick with your old hardware until Windows 7 goes EOL (in 2020), or run a non-Microsoft OS.
Edit: And given that I haven't heard anything about significant significant changes to the ISA this time around, I suspect 7 will run without incident anyway. It just may not run as well as it could if it was officially supported.
ronch wrote:
Not much fun running a graphics card using generic Windows drivers, is it? I reckon it'll be like that. Sure it'll work, but it won't be optimal. Maybe far from optimal.
K-L-Waster wrote:I get that some people don't like a variety of things about Win 10, but at the same time, Windows 7 was released in 2009 -- how long do you expect it to continue being supported? It's 7 years old already.
You're absolutely entitled to not migrate to the more recent versions of Windows, but when you do so you are inevitably going to forego some level of support for newer hardware. It's unrealistic to expect to have it both ways.
Yan wrote:ronch wrote:
Not much fun running a graphics card using generic Windows drivers, is it? I reckon it'll be like that. Sure it'll work, but it won't be optimal. Maybe far from optimal.
Surely whether or not graphics drivers will run on Windows 7 depends on the graphics card and not the CPU, no?
ronch wrote:8 sucked hard, and 10 feels a lot like 8 to me
ronch wrote:1. Of course those new CPUs can run Win7, but it won't be fun when you browse the CD that came with your AM4 board and find no drivers for Win7. So it means you'll be sticking with generic SATA drivers, power management drivers, etc. Not much fun running a graphics card using generic Windows drivers, is it? I reckon it'll be like that. Sure it'll work, but it won't be optimal. Maybe far from optimal.
2. They all suck for conspiring to force everyone to get 10. Microsoft is forcing Win10 upon everyone by asking Intel and AMD to not put out drivers for Win7, and said chip makers are deliberately sucking it up with MS by deliberately not writing drivers for 7. As i've said, they KNOW the inner workings of 7 because they HAVE written drivers for it since it came out and they sure as hell know how their respective chips work. But no, they're not doing it because they're in bed with MS.
NovusBogus wrote:K-L-Waster wrote:I get that some people don't like a variety of things about Win 10, but at the same time, Windows 7 was released in 2009 -- how long do you expect it to continue being supported? It's 7 years old already.
You're absolutely entitled to not migrate to the more recent versions of Windows, but when you do so you are inevitably going to forego some level of support for newer hardware. It's unrealistic to expect to have it both ways.
Well, I'd expect them to at least support it until they provide a viable successor to Windows 7 Enterprise. Still waiting for the non-Facebooky version of Win10.
The Egg wrote:As other have mentioned, "won't be officially supported" just means it won't have Microsoft's official stamp of approval. It's not as if they're intentionally breaking functionality; they're just choosing not to retroactively add support for a new chip to an old OS. The CPUs should still work fine (as you seem to be aware), they just won't be able use any brand-spankin-new instruction sets or features. This doesn't seem unreasonable.
As for chipset drivers, when did AMD say they wouldn't be releasing any? Seeing as how they're playing from well behind, I'd be surprised if they didn't aim for as much marketshare as possible. It also wouldn't shock me to see Intel backpedal from their original statement after a bit of outcry, though they're in a much better position to shrug it off.
Think of it this way: Did Win98SE (1999) have official support for Core2Duo (2006)? I don't think any variant of Win9x supported multi-core, meaning that WinME didn't support the A64-X2 just 4.5yrs later. I know this is a different era, but it's not as if this differs much from what they've historically done.
NovusBogus wrote:Well, I'd expect them to at least support it until they provide a viable successor to Windows 7 Enterprise. Still waiting for the non-Facebooky version of Win10.
K-L-Waster wrote:I get that some people don't like a variety of things about Win 10, but at the same time, Windows 7 was released in 2009 -- how long do you expect it to continue being supported?
just brew it! wrote:NovusBogus wrote:Well, I'd expect them to at least support it until they provide a viable successor to Windows 7 Enterprise. Still waiting for the non-Facebooky version of Win10.
Doesn't the existing Enterprise version of 10 already remove most of the crapware-like aspects?
ludi wrote:There is one recent example where the support problem was literal: Windows 8.1 x64 won't install on certain very old AMD processors due to a missing instruction. Still, it's pretty rare that running the OS is physically impossible.
just brew it! wrote:Doesn't the existing Enterprise version of 10 already remove most of the crapware-like aspects?
sircharles32 wrote:The only issue I see for this, is if AMD refuses to release Windows 7/8/8.1 chipset drivers for the motherboards.
There should be no reason why Summit Ridge (no GPU) shouldn't work with these OSes.
However, it becomes more of an issue with Raven Ridge (with integrated GPU), as AMD probably won't release graphics drivers.
As the CPUs are still x86/x86-64 compatible, there should be no "technical" reason why they couldn't run these older Microsoft operating systems.
However, since MS is officially supporting Windows 7 until January of 2020, I'd still think that it would be in both AMD and Intel's best interests, that they don't purposely withhold drivers for these, still, officially supported operating systems, as it only shoots themselves in the collective feet.
(Just my 2 cents)
Yan wrote:ronch wrote:
Not much fun running a graphics card using generic Windows drivers, is it? I reckon it'll be like that. Sure it'll work, but it won't be optimal. Maybe far from optimal.
Surely whether or not graphics drivers will run on Windows 7 depends on the graphics card and not the CPU, no?