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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:09 am

The intermittent noise seems to be coming from the 'A' key, and maybe another one as well. Doesn't happen on every press, just a small percentage of them. If it continues (and once I figure out whether there's another key involved) I may solder in a replacement switch or two.
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:24 pm

Well, I've been following Opeth more or less since Blackwater Park / Damnation.

But as insanely brilliant as Damnation was despite being an offshoot prog album, Akerfeldt never quite replicated that success with the latest albums. Mostly because, to put it simply, the songs aren't very good. In all the albums since and including Heritage and apart from a couple songs here or there it just sounds meandering and derivative. Sounds like I've heard it all before... even though I didn't live through the 70s.

While I'm on this rant, I might also talk about Akerfeldt's buddy Steven Wilson. Now, don't get me wrong—I think they're both musical geniuses. But Wilson's latest stuff is just so zzzz.... *snore*.....zzzZZ *snort* oh dear, what was I saying? Oh yes, sleep-inducing. It's like he's imitating himself over and over again, like just one big album that's released across several records.

If was asked "pick two of your favorite bands/artists that are on a low point," I'd definitely go with those.
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:00 pm

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While I'm on this rant, I might also talk about Akerfeldt's buddy Steven Wilson. Now, don't get me wrong—I think they're both musical geniuses. But Wilson's latest stuff is just so zzzz.... *snore*.....zzzZZ *snort* oh dear, what was I saying? Oh yes, sleep-inducing. It's like he's imitating himself over and over again, like just one big album that's released across several records.

Heh. Yeah, at least HCE has an overall unifying concept/narrative. And while I've enjoyed most of his solo projects (especially the earlier ones), I have to say I much prefer PT. I think your comment about him "imitating himself" more or less describes the rut he seems to have fallen into.
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:27 pm

I'm thinking you might need a hall effect keyboard...

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Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:55 pm

One of the first places I worked out of college used Hall effect keyboards. Whenever they got one back for service that was all gunked up (typically a combination of coffee spills and cigarette ashes, this was the '80s and these keyboards were used by emergency services dispatchers), they would just chuck it into a big bucket of hot sudsy water and leave it for a couple of days. Other than the occasional cigarette burn on a keycap, they came out of the bucket as good as new.
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:01 am

Might I suggest a new homebrew brand JBI?

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Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:29 am

Based on reading this thread, there are only 2 sorts of gerbils:

1) Those who have given their keyboard the Just Beer It™ treatment
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:42 am

That's freaking cool, I hadn't heard of hall effect keyboards.

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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:03 pm

Bathing Your RK-9000, Part II

So yesterday, the RK-9000 I use at work (twin of the one that got the recent beer bath) got a soda bath. Brought it home last night, and gave it the same treatment (soak and rinse followed by several hours on the drying rack). This evening I tested it, and... the 'N' key was inoperative. :-?

My best guess is that a piece of board chow got washed down into the 'N' switch by the initial soda wave, got stuck/wedged in the switch contacts, and didn't come out in the soak. (It was diet soda, but Diet Mt. Dew has some orange juice in it so unlike most diet sodas it is slightly sticky when it dries.)

My initial thought was to open the existing switch up to try to clean the internals, but it is very difficult to get the top off a Cherry switch if you have a plate mount keyboard. I decided to try removing it from the keyboard, opening it up to clean the contacts, and putting it back; but when I tried to remove it I applied too much stress to it while one of the pins was still stuck to the PCB (due to incomplete removal of the existing solder), and ended up snapping the pin off. :roll:

Fortunately, I had a few spare MX blue switches on hand. (I guess that makes me a pretty hard-core keyboard geek... :lol:)

A few minutes with the soldering iron, and the office RK-9000 appears to be fully functional again. Swapped it for the home one, and will use it tonight to make sure it is tuly 100%; if all is well, I'll just take the other one to the office tomorrow.

Hopefully I'm done spilling drinks into my keyboards for a while. I went years without a spill, and then managed to have 2 in as many months. :oops:

On the plus side, both RK-9000s are now cleaner than they've been in years. :lol:

It'll be a relief to not be typing on the POS Dell rubber dome keyboard I've been using at the office for the past 2 days...

Edit: Alternative theory on the failed 'N' key... maybe the pin on the switch was already about to fail (due to years of pounding), and the stress of popping the keycap off was the final straw (so no contamination issue, just a mechanical failure).
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:48 pm

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Edit: Alternative theory on the failed 'N' key... maybe the pin on the switch was already about to fail (due to years of pounding), and the stress of popping the keycap off was the final straw (so no contamination issue, just a mechanical failure).

Damnit JBI, cut down on spam new-ing up so many objects! :P

And assuming the springs wear out at the same rate, this means you are not cleaning them up by deleting them. :lol: You are in garbage-collection land nowadays?
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:55 pm

Damn, I should've known that my habit of typing "nonagenarian" whenever I got bored was going to catch up with me someday... :wink:

...and no, I'm still primarily a C/C++ developer. No garbage collection. :lol:
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Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:20 pm

There are keyboards designed to cope with this sort of drinking problem:
http://www.wetkeys.com/Washable-Compute ... ds-s/3.htm
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:26 pm

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There are keyboards designed to cope with this sort of drinking problem:
http://www.wetkeys.com/Washable-Compute ... ds-s/3.htm

The problem is getting a spill-resistant mechanical. I'm really sold on MX blues, and TBH rather set in my ways at this point. :lol:

If I didn't care about tactile feedback, I could just buy another cheap rubber dome 'board whenever I spilled something into it.

As evidenced by this thread (and my other RK-9000 repair threads), well-designed Cherry-based keyboards are user-serviceable. I figure my pair of RK-9000s were a pretty good investment (all things considered), and I expect to get many more years out of both of them.
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Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:20 pm

I am happy to report the just-cleaned and repaired keyboard worked fine yesterday evening at home. Its twin survived being stuffed into my backpack and brought in to the office on the train this morning. The crappy Dell keyboard I borrowed is back on the test server where it belongs, and I am in typing nirvana again. :wink:
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

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I have been using an IBM model M13 for many years now. The only problem is it is not compatible with a lot of motherboards. Some will not detect it on a cold boot, but a reboot will get them going, some motherboards just don't have PS2 ports. A few years ago I bout a compatible usb adapter for it. This seems to work 95% of the time. Also the cord it all frayed and is probably going to stop working soon. My spare rubber dome keyboard from 2002 has been on the fritz for a while. Its ESC key does not work and the space bar only works half the time. 2 weeks ago Newegg had a sale on G.Skill Ripjaws with brown keys. so I bought one. I wish I had gotten one with blue keys. They are too light for me, and the audible feedback isn't there. I though the lack of audible feedback wouldn't be an issue, and it would be better considering my roommate and I have opposite sleeping habits, but I really miss it.
 
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

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I have been using an IBM model M13 for many years now. The only problem is it is not compatible with a lot of motherboards. Some will not detect it on a cold boot, but a reboot will get them going, some motherboards just don't have PS2 ports. A few years ago I bout a compatible usb adapter for it. This seems to work 95% of the time. Also the cord it all frayed and is probably going to stop working soon. My spare rubber dome keyboard from 2002 has been on the fritz for a while. Its ESC key does not work and the space bar only works half the time. 2 weeks ago Newegg had a sale on G.Skill Ripjaws with brown keys. so I bought one. I wish I had gotten one with blue keys. They are too light for me, and the audible feedback isn't there. I though the lack of audible feedback wouldn't be an issue, and it would be better considering my roommate and I have opposite sleeping habits, but I really miss it.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the browns either. A lot of people really love them though. Since you're clearly a Model M fan, you may want to consider one of Unicomp's Model M derivatives.
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:45 am

...and yet again. This time not so much a spill as a beer that erupted when I opened the can, with the keyboard within the blast radius. :roll:

The mishap happened Sunday evening. The keyboard has already been soaked, dried, and reassembled. No casualties among the switches this time.
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Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:22 am

... Have you considered sippy cups?
 
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Re: Aaaaaargh... gave my RK-9000 a beer bath!

Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:02 pm

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... Have you considered sippy cups?

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Wouldn't have helped with this latest one, since the mess occurred immediately upon opening the can! (Plus carbonated beverage in a sippy cup sounds like it could have its own issues...)
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"Not available with MX blue switches" == "no sale" as far as I'm concerned. OK, I suppose I might consider browns; but it isn't available with those either.

Anyhow, I'm now 3 for 3 resurrecting my RK-9000s after beverage spills... so who needs water resistance anyway? :lol:
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Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:47 pm

I had a similar experience with my Rosewill Apollo last weekend...a beer exploded upon popping the tab and soaked both my keyboard and my monitor. The keyboard took the brunt of it but a short disassemble and clean later, it lived.

I <3 MX browns, though, so the lack of obnoxious clickiness doesn't bother me. :)
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:27 am

All this talk about how much work you put into salvaging your keyboard, but I see very little effort was put forth to salvaging your spilled beer!
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I tried one of these back in the day. Pretty much the polar opposite of a mechanical keyboard. Absolutely sucked to type on, but 100% hermetically sealed. Hmm... I wonder if I still have that thing in a box in the crawlspace, or if I chucked it somewhere along the line. Probably ditched it when we moved to the current house (got rid of a lot of old crap then).
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:32 am

I have one of these roll-up keyboards (mine has a way less crap layout though) that I use just as a general 'oops I need a keyboard for 10 minutes'. Typing on it is abysmal, but you can pretty much plop it down anywhere/abuse it and it doesn't care.

Plus since I use it like once every 4 months, I can just spray the accumulated dust off it with window cleaner and air dry it for about 2 minutes and it's good to go.
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:57 am

I bet that's still better to type on than the TASA was!
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:59 am

It's basically like trying to type on a zip-lock bag filled with peanut butter, but it's convenient when I need to drag a keyboard to a crappy location.
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