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This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:59 pm

Yawn, Yet Another Silly IoT Appliance: YASIA.
https://www.extremetech.com/electronics ... technology
Will someone please tell me why I need a smart toaster? Is it just me, or is everybody going nuts trying to find ways to connect anything and everything to the internet, irregardless or not it needs to be or even should be connected in the first place? I swear, the internet is going to end up being taken over by botnets running on an endless sea of IoT devices.

Well Star Trek fans, we finally found out how the Borg got started. It's is just a huge massive botnet running on trillions of pointless devices.

 
 
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:32 pm

I predict that within 3 years, either the Bluetooth chip in this thing will die (because, well, it's in a toaster, and toasters get REALLY FRIKKIN' HOT), or a future version of iOS/Android will break the smartphone app and the company will neglect to release a new version (likely because they've gone out of business).
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:39 pm

Let's hope it has some kind of auto shut-off timer as well.  If it doesn't, then I can see how this thing might get confused by an Internet outage and torch its self like an IoT roman candle.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:43 pm

Actually, reading the article more closely it seems that this isn't really an IoT device at all. It doesn't have WiFi; it ONLY has Bluetooth.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:48 pm

just brew it! wrote:
Actually, reading the article more closely it seems that this isn't really an IoT device at all. There's no mention of WiFi, just Bluetooth.

I think that is just the cheaper model. In any case we can expect them put in WiFi soon or later.
 
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:53 pm

just brew it! wrote:
I predict that within 3 years, either the Bluetooth chip in this thing will die (because, well, it's in a toaster, and toasters get REALLY FRIKKIN' HOT), or a future version of iOS/Android will break the smartphone app and the company will neglect to release a new version (likely because they've gone out of business).

This just come to mind, but is anyone actually buying these devices?
 
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:55 pm

Toaster? Look no further than the 1930's-vintage Toastmaster 1B9. Used a clockwork mechanism instead of a bimetallic strip to set the toast time. Nana had one and after she passed it was offered to me when I left home to set out on my own. Like a fool, I said no. If it still lives, it is still making perfect toast (assuming you're starting with Pepperidge Farm white bread). Elwood Blues would grok this toaster.

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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:09 pm

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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:41 pm

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Not ever in my household. No way. These things are where my personal Luddite line is crossed (and what was Mr. Ludd's first name?).

The promise I saw in such devices in Star Trek and 2001 in my youth has been mutated into an always-on data collection system for advertising/marketing/more sinister purposes. I'll stick with the keyboard. Let End User be the first one to find out the hard way.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:47 pm

Captain Ned wrote:
The promise I saw in such devices in Star Trek and 2001 in my youth has been mutated into an always-on data collection system for advertising/marketing/more sinister purposes. I'll stick with the keyboard. Let End User be the first one to find out the hard way.

With our luck he'll be the first one to upload into the Singularity, and consequently will have the power to refuse entry to anyone who disagreed with him here on the TR forums. :lol:
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:48 pm

Anyone who is interested might want to keep it away from the TV also.

http://www.cw6sandiego.com/news-anchor- ... ollhouses/
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:50 pm

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Captain Ned wrote:
The promise I saw in such devices in Star Trek and 2001 in my youth has been mutated into an always-on data collection system for advertising/marketing/more sinister purposes.  I'll stick with the keyboard.  Let End User be the first one to find out the hard way.

With our luck he'll be the first one to upload into the Singularity, and consequently will have the power to refuse entry to anyone who disagreed with him here on the TR forums. :lol:

I'm sure we could just hack into the Singularity once in awhile just to say hi to him.
 
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:55 pm

Redocbew wrote:
Anyone who is interested might want to keep it away from the TV also.

http://www.cw6sandiego.com/news-anchor- ... ollhouses/

And I was just waiting for something like this happen. Ah does Amazon sell any type of "Adult Only" stuff? I hope not for parents of teenagers sake.
 
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:59 pm

I'm not sure exactly what Amazon's policy is for that type of listing, but the answer to most questions starting with "Does Amazon sell" is "yes" which is the whole point of the echo devices in the first place.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:59 pm

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Ah does Amazon sell any type of "Adult Only" stuff? I hope not for parents of teenagers sake.

Of course they do. They sell everything!

Edit: Looks like some are even available with Prime shipping, for those "adult toy emergencies". (Yes, I just *had* to check...) :lol:
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:04 pm

I'd like to see what kind recommendations Amazon starts sending you now.   :P

Edit: Come to think of it, this is just the sort of thing which would work well for Amazon's "Air Prime" drone delivery also. Wouldn't that be a surprise for a drone hunter to intercept that package...
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:40 pm

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Will someone please tell me why I need a smart toaster? Is it just me, or is everybody going nuts trying to find ways to connect anything and everything to the internet, irregardless or not it needs to be or even should be connected in the first place?

Previously, in the boardroom of a major appliance vendor:

CEO: This will not be our best year ever unless we start thinking outside the box, people. GE, Maytag, Kenmore, Sunbeam, you name it. All of our competition sells the same things we do and half of it is coming from the same Chinese factories.  My mother-in-law just bought a Huawei fridge.  Huawei!  As if Samsung undercutting us wasn't bad enough.

Lackey #1: I hear what you're saying, boss. We need to differentiate our products again.

Lackey #2: Yeah, but differentiate what?  Color?  Everyone wants either white, gloss black, or stainless steel.  Bagel Setting on your toaster?  Icemaker in your fridge?  Everyone's got that.

CEO: Speaking of, did we already implement expensive replacement filters for those icemakers?

Lackey #2: Six years ago.  Last year we even reduced the cartridge size again and added a DRM software block so they have to replace them twice as often with officially licensed units.

Lackey #1: And planned obsolescence was fully integrated into our product lines a decade ago.  If you can find a 2013-vintage #4017D-53 food processor that's still running, take it, because it somehow ascended to immortality.

CEO: What about more buttons and displays?  Everyone likes buttons and displays.

Lackey #2: We're reaching design limits there, too.  This morning I couldn't even remember how to get a cup of coffee out of our Coffee Supreme v2.0.  I cycled through five submenus of automatic programming before figuring out that I was only changing the "brew complete" ringtone.  The display just kept telling me "good morning" when I clearly wasn't having one.

CEO: What about this "Internet of Things" everyone is talking about?  I can control the light bulbs from my phone.  See? <room shifts to soft green color>

Lackey #1: We did an IoT upgrade to our higher-end refrigerators a year or two ago, even used Windows 10 embedded.  There's one in the call center breakroom on the fourth floor, the employees keep a pool on when the next automatic update cycle will hit. 

CEO: Hey, if it entertains people, then that's enough to make a few quick sales.  Do we sell, say, a Bluetooth toaster yet?
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:52 pm

just brew it! wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
Ah does Amazon sell any type of "Adult Only" stuff? I hope not for parents of teenagers sake.

Of course they do. They sell everything!

Edit: Looks like some are even available with Prime shipping, for those "adult toy emergencies". (Yes, I just *had* to check...) :lol:

I hate to be the parents who own an Alexa or Echo who have small children that are starting to cuss...
 
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:03 pm

whm1974 wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
Ah does Amazon sell any type of "Adult Only" stuff? I hope not for parents of teenagers sake.

Of course they do. They sell everything!

Edit: Looks like some are even available with Prime shipping, for those "adult toy emergencies". (Yes, I just *had* to check...) :lol:

I hate to be the parents who own an Alexa or Echo who have small children that are starting to cuss...


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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:11 pm

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With our luck he'll be the first one to upload into the Singularity, and consequently will have the power to refuse entry to anyone who disagreed with him here on the TR forums. :lol:

And the problem is?

Using Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought universe, let him flit off to the High Beyond or the Transcend. I'll gladly stay here in the Slow Zone.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:18 pm

Philldoe wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
Of course they do. They sell everything!

Edit: Looks like some are even available with Prime shipping, for those "adult toy emergencies". (Yes, I just *had* to check...) :lol:

I hate to be the parents who own an Alexa or Echo who have small children that are starting to cuss...


NSFW Language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMLzJ8i9Xl4

Yep. That happened.

People should really watch they say around small children, they do after all tend to repeat stuff they hear.
 
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:27 pm

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People should really watch they say around small children, they do after all tend to repeat stuff they hear.

And how would you know?

viewtopic.php?p=1280770#p1280770
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:34 pm

Captain Ned wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
People should really watch they say around small children, they do after all tend to repeat stuff they hear.

And how would you know?

viewtopic.php?p=1280770#p1280770

I've been around small children before who cuss like a sailor just like their parents. 
 
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:05 pm

IOT makes me LOL.

It's also obvious surveillance is obvious, get the sheeple to think they're getting something for 'free' in return and they'll do anything you ask.
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:21 pm

I'm going to plant ten Echos and ten Google Homes in WHM's house to teach him about the things he makes these threads for.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:42 pm

whm1974 wrote:
Yawn, Yet Another Silly IoT Appliance: YASIA.
https://www.extremetech.com/electronics ... technology
Will someone please tell me why I need a smart toaster? Is it just me, or is everybody going nuts trying to find ways to connect anything and everything to the internet, irregardless or not it needs to be or even should be connected in the first place? I swear, the internet is going to end up being taken over by botnets running on an endless sea of IoT devices.

Well Star Trek fans, we finally found out how the Borg got started. It's is just a huge massive botnet running on trillions of pointless devices.

 


Why?

Toaster is just a fancy electrical resistor.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:55 pm

Captain Ned wrote:
JustAnEngineer wrote:

Not ever in my household.  No way.  These things are where my personal Luddite line is crossed (and what was Mr. Ludd's first name?).

The promise I saw in such devices in Star Trek and 2001 in my youth has been mutated into an always-on data collection system for advertising/marketing/more sinister purposes.  I'll stick with the keyboard.  Let End User be the first one to find out the hard way.

I be surprised if at least like 50% of existing server/infra storage and bandwidth wasn't used for ads and datamining purposes by now.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:49 am

Krogoth wrote:
Why?

Toaster is just a fancy electrical resistor.

Someday we will live in a utopian future where all of our resistors can be controlled via a smartphone app. ;-)
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:55 am

just brew it! wrote:
Someday we will live in a utopian future where all of our resistors can be controlled via a smartphone app. ;-)

I'd rather have the utopian future where smartphones and tablets were actually secure after six months or so.
Oh wait, aren't we dinging IoT **** for pretty much the same thing?  Hah.
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Re: This IoT meme is getting rather silly.

Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:39 am

LostCat wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
Someday we will live in a utopian future where all of our resistors can be controlled via a smartphone app. ;-)

I'd rather have the utopian future where smartphones and tablets were actually secure after six months or so.
Oh wait, aren't we dinging IoT **** for pretty much the same thing?  Hah.

I guess you missed the sarcasm...
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