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4K monitor

Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:40 pm

Lately I've been musing about stepping up to a 4K monitor. The driving impetus is not (surprisingly so) gaming. With a GTX 970 on my gaming computer I doubt I will be playing anything on that. Maybe Elite Dangerous but not much else.

I work from a Dell Precision M4800 laptop with a 15.9 inch 1080p monitor and I have a 1080p 23" Asus monitor that I use as a secondary monitor. What I hate is how much more the Asus monitor shows of my work than the laptop's monitor. I program machines using Rockwell Control Logix software as well as programming touch screens and running 2d AutoCAD.

After showing my wife a Dell 4K monitor with a 43" screen she told me that with my next large overtime check that I ought to buy one. With the ability to display up to 4, 1080p sized screens I feel it would enhance my productivity. The Dell monitor is a bit pricey at nearly a grand so I looked around and found this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0711MP768/ref=psdc_1292115011_t1_B01E18XRY2 LG 43UD79-B monitor at a much friendlier $650. It has gaming potential, good reviews and I don't do anything with photo editing so it appears to fit the bill. Anything I missed or should consider?

I wish that the local Best Buy would have something on its shelves so I could get an idea if it is worth the upgrades and how my laptop would work with these types of monitors.
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Re: 4K monitor

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:17 pm

Have you considered a 32"-34" ultrawide (21:9) 1440p monitor instead? That would do two side by side windows nicely.

To me, doing two windows side by side (edge-snap windows to half screen width typically) is much easier than arranging 4 equal size windows on a monitor. I've never actually worked in front of a 43" screen, but I wonder how that would be ergonomically since you have so much more height of screen to look at. I suppose a 43" 4k monitor is the equivalent of four 21" monitors... your choice.
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Re: 4K monitor

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:29 pm

I was considering that as well... I can get a non G-Sync gaming monitor for about the same price. And my GTX 970 could drive a 1440p monitor much easier. Now if I could just get the wife to agree to a monitor and a GTX 1080... 8)
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Re: 4K monitor

Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:32 pm

FWIW, I work on a 14" laptop, but I have the laptop monitor disabled and instead have a 24" 1080p monitor (dektop icons and secondary windows) and a 27" 1440p monitor (primary working space)
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Re: 4K monitor

Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:00 am

I have yet to see a single multi-monitor setup used where all the monitors were lined up evenly. The non-main focus monitors are all angled to allow them to be centered and perpendicular to you when you turn your head to view them.

I found with 39" 4k monitor that i had to be a lot further back to have everything in view. And since my vision isnt the best, i than had to scale up things a bit and lose a bit of the density. Note having said that, i would want around a 42-44" monitor. Also, you need a custom setup besides deep desk. Its still true you want top of monitor about eye level... Maybe you are super tall person and its not issue.

Having said that, i would still not get a not flat monitor.
 
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Re: 4K monitor

Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:46 am

I've owned a Dell P2715Q for over 18 months now and I really love it. I use it mostly for office work, but play the odd game on it. Overwatch at 4k, from a Radeon 290 is just fine, cranking out close to 60 fps under most circumstances.

This monitor is frequently on sale. I also believe that Dell will also be releasing some new 2718 monitors shortly (i.e. U2718XX) with HDR. I plan on getting one of those.

The clincher for me is the 3 years warranty, and the fact that Dell really delivers when you have problems with their monitors. I had a U2713HM with some issues that they replaced no questions asked. The replacement is nicely chugging along.
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Re: 4K monitor

Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:41 am

The smaller 4K monitors bother my eyes, everything is too small. The appealing thing about the 4K 42 inch monitor is the fact that I will get 4 screens the size of my laptop monitor. But the 35 inch 1440p monitors fall into that realm as well as I really need a good side by side comparison for the programs I write and that will work here as well. Plus, the aspect ratio is great for gaming.

The AOC Agon AG352UCG https://www.amazon.com/AOC-AG352UCG-Curved-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B06X9CBRTP has gotten some great reviews from TFT Central http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/aoc_agon_ag352ucg.htm and PCmag https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-ag352ucg/. Gaming on it would be a bit rough with my GTX 970 for now but I was intending to upgrade in about 6 months anyway and having it around for work will be a boon.
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Re: 4K monitor

Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:09 am

Thank a lot Pville_Piper, now you have gotten me to drool over a over getting a new 43" 4K display and a new GPU as well when I was just perfectly happy with my current 30" 1600p and GTX 970 setup.
 
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Re: 4K monitor

Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:03 pm

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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:25 pm

whm1974 wrote:
Thank a lot Pville_Piper, now you have gotten me to drool over a over getting a new 43" 4K display and a new GPU as well when I was just perfectly happy with my current 30" 1600p and GTX 970 setup.

Heh I just got a 43" 4K and the vidcard situation right now is so stupid I can't be bothered. I hope Vega is cheaper than I expect it to be.
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:03 pm

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whm1974 wrote:
Thank a lot Pville_Piper, now you have gotten me to drool over a over getting a new 43" 4K display and a new GPU as well when I was just perfectly happy with my current 30" 1600p and GTX 970 setup.

Heh I just got a 43" 4K and the vidcard situation right now is so stupid I can't be bothered. I hope Vega is cheaper than I expect it to be.

I can't say I can blame about the video card problem. I myself would refuse to pay $200 to $300 more for a GPU then it was just a few months ago. Hell, I only paid $250 for my 970 back in Dec 2015 after it has been out for what over a year?
 
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:24 pm

My issues as well... I about fell of my chair when I saw several GTX 1060's going for $440+ and a few 1070's going near $600 while you can pick up a GTX180 for around $550 all day long.

But I don't think I will get a new screen right now. I have re-arranged my office so I can use my 2, 1080p monitors with either my laptop or desktop and will get some cabling to make the change over easier.

In the end, I don't want to scrap my G-Sync monitor for another one and since the GTX970 only has 1 Display port and the my current monitor only has a single Display port for connections it would have to sit idle and I paid too much for that. I likely couldn't sell it for much as it got a big scratch in it while moving back to Bama so I'm stuck with it.
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:41 pm

DPete27 wrote:
To me, doing two windows side by side (edge-snap windows to half screen width typically) is much easier than arranging 4 equal size windows on a monitor.

This isn't quite the same as 4 equal-width windows, but if you're using Windows 10 you can snap a window to a corner and it'll automatically resize to 1/4 of the screen. E.g. if you snap to the top-left corner, Microsoft Word will take up the top-left quadrant. I've only had issues if the program uses non-standard window composing or defines a fixed minimum size (Citrix Receiver, Handbrake).

Course, upgrading to Win10 means you also get to enjoy forced automatic restarts - and for some reason my computer will wake from hibernation the middle of the night to look for windows updates. That's fun.
 
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:34 pm

tu2thepoo wrote:
DPete27 wrote:
To me, doing two windows side by side (edge-snap windows to half screen width typically) is much easier than arranging 4 equal size windows on a monitor.

This isn't quite the same as 4 equal-width windows, but if you're using Windows 10 you can snap a window to a corner and it'll automatically resize to 1/4 of the screen. E.g. if you snap to the top-left corner, Microsoft Word will take up the top-left quadrant. I've only had issues if the program uses non-standard window composing or defines a fixed minimum size (Citrix Receiver, Handbrake)..

Awesome. I didn't know that was there. I so wish work would get off their Duffs and upgrade. My new laptop should.
 
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:09 pm

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Course, upgrading to Win10 means you also get to enjoy forced automatic restarts - and for some reason my computer will wake from hibernation the middle of the night to look for windows updates. That's fun.


Both my laptop and desktop are Win10 and I've never had that issue. But then, I rarely use hibernation. With SSD, what's the point?
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:53 pm

Pville_Piper wrote:
tu2thepoo wrote:
Course, upgrading to Win10 means you also get to enjoy forced automatic restarts - and for some reason my computer will wake from hibernation the middle of the night to look for windows updates. That's fun.


Both my laptop and desktop are Win10 and I've never had that issue. But then, I rarely use hibernation. With SSD, what's the point?

It's a great way to get a bunch of write cycles on your SSD. :P
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Re: 4K monitor

Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:50 am

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It's a great way to get a bunch of write cycles on your SSD. :P


Not only that, but sleep and hibernate don't play nice with drivers and programs. On my laptop I run Rockwell software and it really plays hell this and especially the RSlinx program... Which is essentially a virus.

On the desktop, waking up from sleep mode always seem to add lag into games.
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Re: 4K monitor

Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:09 am

If you do get one please report back on what it's like to use, I've been drooling over getting a screen like this.

Since I'm a cheapskate I've been looking at using a TV as they seem cheaper (lots more second hand ones to choose from). The Sony 8305C gets good reviews for use as a monitor.
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Re: 4K monitor

Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:00 am

Seems like a few people in this thread already have >40" 4k screens that they're working on.
1) Is the height a problem? I like the ultrawide shape (or side-by side monitors) better since it keeps everything view-able by panning your head left and right while limiting vertical movememtns.
2) Is your >40" monitor flat or curved? IMO, once you get something larger than 32" or so, curved is preferable.
3) I've seen some comments saying it's better to sit further away from those large monitors. This would defeat the purpose of having essentially four 21" screens in front of you since you'd usually view a 21" 1080p sreeen from 3' away.
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Re: 4K monitor

Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:31 pm

1) I have my 40" 4K screen wall mounted and my view is centered on the middle of the screen. It's not too bad, but it is "looking up" for the top edge.
2) Flat. Don't really miss it not being curved.
3) I sit pretty close - just as close as I'd have a smaller monitor. Seems like a waste to have a big screen just to sit further away.
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:35 am

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1) I have my 40" 4K screen wall mounted and my view is centered on the middle of the screen. It's not too bad, but it is "looking up" for the top edge.
2) Flat. Don't really miss it not being curved.
3) I sit pretty close - just as close as I'd have a smaller monitor. Seems like a waste to have a big screen just to sit further away.


What's it like to actually use? I've been imagining myself pretty much never using maximised windows and using the top edge of the screen to put all the stuff I need open to refer to (chat, email, terminal windows tailing logs, file manager windows etc). Do you feel good about your investment?
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:47 pm

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Waco wrote:
1) I have my 40" 4K screen wall mounted and my view is centered on the middle of the screen. It's not too bad, but it is "looking up" for the top edge.
2) Flat. Don't really miss it not being curved.
3) I sit pretty close - just as close as I'd have a smaller monitor. Seems like a waste to have a big screen just to sit further away.


What's it like to actually use? I've been imagining myself pretty much never using maximised windows and using the top edge of the screen to put all the stuff I need open to refer to (chat, email, terminal windows tailing logs, file manager windows etc). Do you feel good about your investment?

It's the best thing I ever did in terms of monitor real-estate. The left/top/bottom I leave a little strip for multitasking and keep windows less than maximized. Snapping things to a corner works quite well for the times I'm running a VM or something and don't have OS integration enabled.

Considering the $400 investment, I love it (I bought mine refurbed). I'd still love it at twice that price.

It's even better for gaming, provided you've got the GPU chops to keep it fed smoothly.
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:59 pm

I picked up an X34 and it's insane for productivity (think 3 program windows side-by-side or one huuuuuuge Excel sheet). Just be aware that these screens are slower than their smaller gaming counterparts and require serious horsepower to game at 100FPS (even my 1080Ti isn't enough for some games).
 
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:32 pm

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I picked up an X34 and it's insane for productivity (think 3 program windows side-by-side or one huuuuuuge Excel sheet). Just be aware that these screens are slower than their smaller gaming counterparts and require serious horsepower to game at 100FPS (even my 1080Ti isn't enough for some games).


Couldn't you game full-screen at 1080P without too much blurring? It should be an exact 4->1 interpolation.
 
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:41 pm

Vhalidictes wrote:
Kretschmer wrote:
I picked up an X34 and it's insane for productivity (think 3 program windows side-by-side or one huuuuuuge Excel sheet). Just be aware that these screens are slower than their smaller gaming counterparts and require serious horsepower to game at 100FPS (even my 1080Ti isn't enough for some games).


Couldn't you game full-screen at 1080P without too much blurring? It should be an exact 4->1 interpolation.

Yes, but I'd much rather drop details and run high-res than drop to 1080p. It's pretty hard to go back to regular 1920x1080 once you've gamed at 3840x2160.
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Re: 4K monitor

Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:00 pm

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Yes, but I'd much rather drop details and run high-res than drop to 1080p. It's pretty hard to go back to regular 1920x1080 once you've gamed at 3840x2160.

I like 1440p but my 4k HDR TV didn't apparently. I'm not in the mood to buy more kit so just usin my old setup with a better GPU for now.
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