SoM wrote:still using Audioengine A5+ i got last year, no complaints, and a new pair of Sennheiser HD 280 which iirc was mentioned in the last thread
DancinJack wrote:I know they're not necessarily studio monitors, but I love my A5+ speakers. They're a bit more "fun" than monitors which I like. I have nothing bad to say about them over the 3 or 4 years I've had them.
Kougar wrote:Used to have them plugged into a Xonar DX, but after all manner of software issues, I went back to the onboard sound which just works. Might've been a bad card, but given ASUS's extremely minimal driver support philosophy I certainly wasn't going to buy another.
Kougar wrote:DancinJack wrote:I know they're not necessarily studio monitors, but I love my A5+ speakers. They're a bit more "fun" than monitors which I like. I have nothing bad to say about them over the 3 or 4 years I've had them.
Whatever they are, the A5+'s are great. Expensive by my standards but I've been happy in the three-something years I've been using mine. Completely spoiled now, i can discern the difference now that I've been using them and won't go back.
DancinJack wrote:Yeah, the A5+s are great. They're just a little more "lively" than studio monitors. A little warm compared to studio monitors. Just the way I like it.
Vhalidictes wrote:The Egg wrote:I still have an Essence STX in the closet that I've been meaning to put on Ebay. I moved to the current DAC + amp setup before migrating to W10, so I can't comment on the W10 driver quality. I know many others had complained about previous Windows drivers, but I never personally experienced any issues.
Egg, what's the functional difference between a DAC and a sound card? I know that there were CPU-powered "USB" speaker systems around in the past but they needed drivers to work. I thought that while USB gives you motherboard noise protection it adds voltage noise so didn't that turn out to be a wash on quality?
The Egg wrote:If no driver exists for an expensive internal soundcard in 5-10 years, the device is essentially worthless (or you'd be forced to keep it in a rig with an older OS,
The Egg wrote:15 years from now, I should still be able to use my external DAC and amp, whereas the likelihood of getting drivers for a Xonar or other current soundcard in 2032 approaches 0%.
morphine wrote:the: I hate you. Nothing personal.
just brew it! wrote:The Egg wrote:If no driver exists for an expensive internal soundcard in 5-10 years, the device is essentially worthless (or you'd be forced to keep it in a rig with an older OS,
...or an OS with Open Source drivers.
These days, another issue is that older soundcards are legacy PCI, and most newer motherboards don't have PCI slots any more.The Egg wrote:15 years from now, I should still be able to use my external DAC and amp, whereas the likelihood of getting drivers for a Xonar or other current soundcard in 2032 approaches 0%.
PCIe will likely have been obsoleted by then too, making the driver issue largely irrelevant.
just brew it! wrote:So the Xonar Windows 10 drivers suck? That's useful to know, in case I decide to upgrade the audio on my upcoming Windows build. Xonar would've probably been my first choice otherwise. (The Linux Xonar drivers haven't given me any trouble.)
Kougar wrote:Nine years... that's a good point. The Xonar brand is ten years old. At what point would some of these fancier motherboard sound solutions surpass something like a cheap Xonar DX?
morphine wrote:Assuming we're not talking about el-cheapo boards, IMO modern mobo audio is waaaaay better than it ever should be, particularly the higher-end implementations with better caps and/or DACs. The whole meme about "ugh, mobo audio" is dead and most definitely buried.
just brew it! wrote:Typical Realtek codecs can still struggle to drive headphones decently. My Xonar DSX has no such issues. Neither did the VIA onboard audio on my M3A78-CM (circa 2009). I'm sure this could be addressed by adding an op amp to drive the headphone jack, but Realtek's reference designs (which most mobo vendors use) drive the headphone jack directly.
Maybe Realtek's newer codecs like the ALC1150 have finally addressed this. The reference design for the 1150 does not appear to use DC blocking capacitors on the headphone out, so they've obviously redesigned their headphone driver circuit.
just brew it! wrote:DancinJack wrote:
Yes, that's the datasheet I was looking at.
DancinJack wrote:I imagine quite a few of us, me included, ran Promedia's before they died/we upgraded to 2.0's and an external DAC. No shame.