Personal computing discussed

Moderators: mac_h8r1, Nemesis

 
ludi
Darth Gerbil
Topic Author
Posts: 7452
Joined: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:47 pm
Location: Sunny Colorado front range

Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:06 pm

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker ... ed-bricked

The brave New world of devices built on licensed IP. The Harmony Hub is safe, but any owners of Logitech's older Link remote-extender have to either trade an in-warranty unit for a Hub or replace an out-of-town of-warranty unit with a Hub at a modest price discount.
Abacus Model 2.5 | Quad-Row FX with 256 Cherry Red Slider Beads | Applewood Frame | Water Cooling by Brita Filtration
 
just brew it!
Gold subscriber
Administrator
Posts: 49719
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:51 pm
Location: Somewhere, having a beer

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:41 pm

I don't own one, but that's pretty scummy.

I generally avoid devices and applications which are dependent on a third-party service for continued operation, unless it is explicitly a subscription-based service (e.g. smartphone). If the company isn't expecting a continuing revenue stream from you after purchase, they have less incentive to not screw you over.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
NovusBogus
Silver subscriber
Graphmaster Gerbil
Posts: 1194
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:37 am

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:06 pm

ludi wrote:
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/11/8/16623076/logitech-harmony-link-discontinued-bricked

The brave New world of devices that require some other fool's server to operate.


FTFY, the IP shenanigans are just smoke and mirrors. I've played way too many discontinued MMOs to ever be silly enough to buy that sort of hardware...
 
just brew it!
Gold subscriber
Administrator
Posts: 49719
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:51 pm
Location: Somewhere, having a beer

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:35 am

Every so often, someone will ask why I insist on a phone with a micro-SD slot for my music collection. "Why don't you just stream everything?"

Sorry, no. Then I'm completely dependent on someone else to store the bits, and on Sprint to provide uninterrupted access to them.
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
Usacomp2k3
Gerbil God
Posts: 21687
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:53 pm
Location: Orlando, FL
Contact:

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:38 am

I still have a Harmony 800 (or 880, i don't remember) that is getting long in the tooth. I'm been eyeing the hub, as there doesn't appear to be anything else on the market that does that under $1000. Are ya'll aware of any alternatives?
 
DragonDaddyBear
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 652
Joined: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:01 am

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:10 am

just brew it! wrote:
Every so often, someone will ask why I insist on a phone with a micro-SD slot for my music collection. "Why don't you just stream everything?"

Sorry, no. Then I'm completely dependent on someone else to store the bits, and on Sprint to provide uninterrupted access to them.


This is why I will not buy a digital anything that has DRM on it or go in on an "ecosystem." Companies go out of business, protocols change, and technology evolves. If it won't work without an internet connection then I won't buy it.
 
The Egg
Gold subscriber
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2236
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 pm

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:42 am

With that kind of support, I'll certainly think twice before getting anything in that product line again. Don't have a Link, but I do have a Harmony 650 remote. Its functionality is excellent, but the roughly 300-400ms of input lag on some devices is a real downer. Would also be nice if it could do RF in addition to IR.
 
derFunkenstein
Gold subscriber
Gerbil God
Posts: 23840
Joined: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:13 pm
Location: Comin' to you directly from the Mothership

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:58 am

We also have a 650. As long as they don't take the MyHarmony service down to reprogram it if we get something new, it's fine. But I've always been wary, since it can apparently only be programmed over the internet. An application with an updateable database of known devices/codes would have been preferable.
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
 
The Egg
Gold subscriber
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2236
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 pm

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:25 am

derFunkenstein wrote:
We also have a 650. As long as they don't take the MyHarmony service down to reprogram it if we get something new, it's fine. But I've always been wary, since it can apparently only be programmed over the internet. An application with an updateable database of known devices/codes would have been preferable.

Yeah. If my memory is correct, I believe the previous iteration of the software wasn't internet-based, so worst-case you could probably find a copy of the old software somewhere. Still, it doesn't inspire confidence, and I agree with the sentiments of others about internet-based stuff.
 
cheesyking
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2664
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:52 am
Location: That London (or so I'm told)
Contact:

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:54 am

just brew it! wrote:
Every so often, someone will ask why I insist on a phone with a micro-SD slot for my music collection. "Why don't you just stream everything?"

Sorry, no. Then I'm completely dependent on someone else to store the bits, and on Sprint to provide uninterrupted access to them.


The google music one isn't so bad. You upload copies of your mp3s to prove what music you have then google lets you stream those tracks to your devices / in a browser. You can tell the phone to store stuff locally for spotty coverage but the interface is really clunky.

There's even an official desktop sync tool for linux that will automatically upload new files you put in your music folder.
Fernando!
Your mother ate my dog!
 
just brew it!
Gold subscriber
Administrator
Posts: 49719
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:51 pm
Location: Somewhere, having a beer

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:26 pm

cheesyking wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
Every so often, someone will ask why I insist on a phone with a micro-SD slot for my music collection. "Why don't you just stream everything?"

Sorry, no. Then I'm completely dependent on someone else to store the bits, and on Sprint to provide uninterrupted access to them.

The google music one isn't so bad. You upload copies of your mp3s to prove what music you have then google lets you stream those tracks to your devices / in a browser. You can tell the phone to store stuff locally for spotty coverage but the interface is really clunky.

There's even an official desktop sync tool for linux that will automatically upload new files you put in your music folder.

...and this is easier and/or more convenient than just putting copies of all the files on an SD card in my phone how?
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
DragonDaddyBear
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 652
Joined: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:01 am

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:19 pm

just brew it! wrote:
cheesyking wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
Every so often, someone will ask why I insist on a phone with a micro-SD slot for my music collection. "Why don't you just stream everything?"

Sorry, no. Then I'm completely dependent on someone else to store the bits, and on Sprint to provide uninterrupted access to them.

The google music one isn't so bad. You upload copies of your mp3s to prove what music you have then google lets you stream those tracks to your devices / in a browser. You can tell the phone to store stuff locally for spotty coverage but the interface is really clunky.

There's even an official desktop sync tool for linux that will automatically upload new files you put in your music folder.

...and this is easier and/or more convenient than just putting copies of all the files on an SD card in my phone how?

That's a good point. Google Music syncs the files for you. It's kinda annoying to copy the FLAC files I just ripped to all of my devices. Then again, I have a home VPN set up so I can grab them whenever I want.
 
derFunkenstein
Gold subscriber
Gerbil God
Posts: 23840
Joined: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:13 pm
Location: Comin' to you directly from the Mothership

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:57 pm

The reason for the shutdown is probably worse than the shutdown itself. Logitech can't be bothered to update a certificate for its web services.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/11 ... s-in-2018/
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
 
cheesyking
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2664
Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:52 am
Location: That London (or so I'm told)
Contact:

Re: Anyone still own a Harmony Link? It dies in March

Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:30 pm

just brew it! wrote:
cheesyking wrote:
just brew it! wrote:
Every so often, someone will ask why I insist on a phone with a micro-SD slot for my music collection. "Why don't you just stream everything?"

Sorry, no. Then I'm completely dependent on someone else to store the bits, and on Sprint to provide uninterrupted access to them.

The google music one isn't so bad. You upload copies of your mp3s to prove what music you have then google lets you stream those tracks to your devices / in a browser. You can tell the phone to store stuff locally for spotty coverage but the interface is really clunky.

There's even an official desktop sync tool for linux that will automatically upload new files you put in your music folder.

...and this is easier and/or more convenient than just putting copies of all the files on an SD card in my phone how?


It means I don't have to buy a phone with an SD card slot :P or bother to even pickup my phone to add more music to it. All I do is save the file in the standard music folder on linux and it's there on the phone. Also means the music is also automatically on my tablet and spare phone without me having to do anything extra (it probably is most useful for people with several gadgets).
Fernando!

Your mother ate my dog!

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot] and 19 guests