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Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:56 am

HI Guys,

Can any one help me with my computer?
I am planing on buying a computer by assembling and not buying those pre-assemble.
Nature of work is designing and some rendering, and picture editing.
What I think I need is a processor with minimum of 6 cores with hyper threading,
Memory of maybe 16gb or higher,
A good Video Card.
budget more or less around $1600

If possible a list of the component would be awsome.

P.S. I am a newbie in assembly of PC, please help.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:26 am

When you write 'a good video card', what do you mean by that exactly? High-end video cards are still extremely costly, so it is important to find the right balance here.

The main difference between cheap and expensive video cards are the number of compute units, the clock frequency and the amount of video memory. The question is how much you will be using these capabilities, if at all? It is mostly used for gaming, but video editing/encoding and some image editing software can also take benefit from being able to doing calculations on the graphics card. It very much depends on what software you are using though.

Even most cheap video cards can handle multiple screens, 4K resolutions etc. so this is not an argument towards buying an expensive video card.

I think you should specify which software and features you are using for editing and rendering as you would probably want some hardware that best matches what it supports. Some software also prefers AMD cards and other software is designed to work better with Nvidia cards.

How about storage? You need an SSD as the boot drive, but if you need several TBs of storage for your renderings, then you would need some mechanical storage besides the SSD. I'm thinking 250GB/500GB NVMe SSD (example: Samsung 960 EVO M.2) for the OS and software.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:45 am

In Video card i am not after for the best one, but more on the usage.

Mostly I will be using structural design software, like StaadPro, and minor 3d rendering like SketchUp Vray. Also I am planing on multiple screen.

in storage, yeah i am planing on hybrid ssd with hdd 128gb/2or4gb.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:14 am

The i5-8600K looks like a good choice, however the 1070 TI card is probably quite over-kill for a non-gaming PC. I think I'd probably look for something cheaper, like a 1050.

GeoDragons wrote:
in storage, yeah i am planing on hybrid ssd with hdd 128gb/2or4gb.

If by hybrid SSD you mean SSHD's, then I would recommend that you stay away from those. They have their use if you have a laptop that can only fit a single drive, you need lots of space and is on a tight budget. In a desktop PC, use a proper SSD for the C drive, and a separate 3½" HDD for bulk storage.
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:36 am

I recently picked up a hybrid drive for essentially the same price as a traditional platter drive. While I do use a SSD for my boot drive, if there is essentially no cost difference then a hybrid drive is a no brainer.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:01 pm

demolition wrote:
The i5-8600K looks like a good choice, however the 1070 TI card is probably quite over-kill for a non-gaming PC. I think I'd probably look for something cheaper, like a 1050.


I keep reading, about which one is better, the intel or amd, which is really better and is more durable. and ow yeah, not planing on overclocking because i don't know those stuff.

in video card, i may need a little gaming one because i do play games once in a while ;)

demolition wrote:
GeoDragons wrote:
in storage, yeah i am planing on hybrid ssd with hdd 128gb/2or4gb.


If by hybrid SSD you mean SSHD's, then I would recommend that you stay away from those. They have their use if you have a laptop that can only fit a single drive, you need lots of space and is on a tight budget. In a desktop PC, use a proper SSD for the C drive, and a separate 3½" HDD for bulk storage.
Here's some reading material:
https://techreport.com/review/25425/sea ... e-reviewed


Okay, so in hard drive i'll separate it.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:33 pm

AMD Ryzen is also a good platform. This might be a suitable build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pJRRGG (taken from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZuo5s_suXI)

Question then is which games you will be playing? The 1050 Ti card will handle many games with decent speed, although it will not cope with the latest big games with details on high.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:44 am

demolition wrote:
AMD Ryzen is also a good platform. This might be a suitable build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pJRRGG (taken from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZuo5s_suXI)

Question then is which games you will be playing? The 1050 Ti card will handle many games with decent speed, although it will not cope with the latest big games with details on high.


wow awesome thank you. :) this might be a good set,

ok, well i am not playing those latest big games ;) so i guess 1050 Ti would be good enough.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:47 am

ow yeah by the way, i am planing to multi multi screen because of my job any advice?
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:12 am

Well if you're around Timmins I suppose I could help physically assemble it for you ;)

Kidding aside if you need a monitor I have been pretty happy with the BenQ BL2420PT that I bought a few months ago.
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:39 pm

Since you'll be looking for color accuracy, you could go with a couple Dell U2717D's at $380 each seems nice. Here's a review

If you know you NEED (will use) 6c/12t the cheapest way to get there is AMD Ryzen.
Ryzen 5 - 1600 = $169 after MIR
16GB DDR4-3200 CAS 14 Ryzen tested RAM = $220 after promo code
MSI B350M Bazooka = $90
Seasonic Focus+ 550W = $55 after MIR
Fractal Design Define Mini C = $55 on sale

Sub-total for hardware (excluding storage and GPU) = $590
Samsung 860 EVO 500GB = $140 after promo code
Asus RX560 4GB = $170

Total with all components and 2 monitors = $1660

I'll echo what was already said about GPUs. They're horribly overpriced right now. Also, yes, some programs perform better with AMD or Nvidia GPUs. It depends. Storage-wise you'll want an SSD for your OS and programs at the very least. I recommend 240GB+ to non-gamers, and 480GB+ for gamers and/or power users. Anything more than ~500GB and you're probably using the extra space for media/cold storage, so a large capacity hdd ($30/TB or less on sale) is where you go from there.
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:55 am

Did you already have the monitors that you would like to use or do you need to get those as well?
The question is then how many monitors and what kind of requirements do you have for them in terms of size, color accuracy and resolution? Triple 4K screens would not be possible on a 1050 Ti, but I guess this might not be what you are aiming for? Triple 2K should be possible on most (all?) 1050 Ti cards though, or even 2x 4K (HDMI+DP) + 1x 2K (DVI).
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:16 pm

DPete27 wrote:
Since you'll be looking for color accuracy, you could go with a couple Dell U2717D's at $380 each seems nice. Here's a review

If you know you NEED (will use) 6c/12t the cheapest way to get there is AMD Ryzen.
Ryzen 5 - 1600 = $169 after MIR
16GB DDR4-3200 CAS 14 Ryzen tested RAM = $220 after promo code
MSI B350M Bazooka = $90
Seasonic Focus+ 550W = $55 after MIR
Fractal Design Define Mini C = $55 on sale

Sub-total for hardware (excluding storage and GPU) = $590
Samsung 860 EVO 500GB = $140 after promo code
Asus RX560 4GB = $170

Total with all components and 2 monitors = $1660

I'll echo what was already said about GPUs. They're horribly overpriced right now. Also, yes, some programs perform better with AMD or Nvidia GPUs. It depends. Storage-wise you'll want an SSD for your OS and programs at the very least. I recommend 240GB+ to non-gamers, and 480GB+ for gamers and/or power users. Anything more than ~500GB and you're probably using the extra space for media/cold storage, so a large capacity hdd ($30/TB or less on sale) is where you go from there.


The monitor is quite nice, but its a bit high on price, I would invest more on whats inside my CPU, next would be the aesthetic.

My main use for computer is to calculate loads for structural of a building, but I will also use it for small rendering of building perspectives.
I also like to multi task that is why i need at least 2 monitor not the super hi definition(but it is a plus if it can).

Regarding the processor I am still thinking whether i'll go with AMD or INTEL, what i really need is a reliable and fast for heavy calculations, because most of the time, it will take a lot of time to do just a single design.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:26 pm

demolition wrote:
Did you already have the monitors that you would like to use or do you need to get those as well?
The question is then how many monitors and what kind of requirements do you have for them in terms of size, color accuracy and resolution? Triple 4K screens would not be possible on a 1050 Ti, but I guess this might not be what you are aiming for? Triple 2K should be possible on most (all?) 1050 Ti cards though, or even 2x 4K (HDMI+DP) + 1x 2K (DVI).


The monitor, I need to get it as well, but i have to prioritize whats inside of the CPU.
As of now double screen would be fine but eventually i'll make it a triple screen soon, so the 1050 Ti is capable of triple 2k then it is good enough for me, but if it is barely capable then I might need to up it a little.
 
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:11 pm

My mistake. I thought there was more emphasis on photo editing and such. In that case, you don't need to go so overboard with factory color calibrated W-LED monitors.

Something like a couple Acer CB271HU for $230 each would fit the bill (according to Slickdeals, these were just on sale for $230 on 3/7/18). They have nice 10-bit IPS panels, 27" 2560x1440 resolution, height adjustable stands, etc etc. I'm a structural engineer and it's nice to have dual 27" screens for reading plans and working in CAD.

BTW, I've been using this dual monitor desk mount at work, and the single arm version at home, and I LOVE the extra desk space they afford for a mere $30-$40!!! Not to mention height adjustability without the need for unsightly shims (books/paper reams/wood/etc) for those pesky cheapo monitors with fixed height stands.
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Re: Help Me Assemble My Personal Computer

Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:37 am

+1 on using 27" 2560x1440 IPS monitors. It's currently the sweet spot between size/definition and price. The 1050 Ti should be able to handle three of those if you need that at some point.

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