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Chrispy_ wrote:Also, dear Apple lovers, I understand that you like your keyboards, but from an ergonomics standpoint they are a cancer that has harmed the industry; In terms of ergonomics they are professionally (ie, in the professional judgement of qualified physiotherapists, doctors and ergonomics experts) quantifiably terrible, both the new butterfly switches and also the older scissor switches.
I agree they look good but that's often the problem with form-over-function, it's not a good idea when it actually causes harm. Type 50,000 words a day for 52 weeks a year and then tell me you love them
just brew it! wrote:I really go out of my way to avoid using the built-in keyboard on my work-issued MBP. When I am at work or working from home I plug a full-size keyboard (I have a pair of trusty old RK-9000s, one at home and one at the office) into it. If I want to get stuff done on the bus/train, I drag a 2nd laptop along (HP EliteBook). The HP's keyboard isn't fantastic, but it is better than the MBP's.
Chrispy_ wrote:Also, dear Apple lovers, I understand that you like your keyboards, but from an ergonomics standpoint they are a cancer that has harmed the industry; In terms of ergonomics they are professionally (ie, in the professional judgement of qualified physiotherapists, doctors and ergonomics experts) quantifiably terrible, both the new butterfly switches and also the older scissor switches.
ludi wrote:just brew it! wrote:I really go out of my way to avoid using the built-in keyboard on my work-issued MBP. When I am at work or working from home I plug a full-size keyboard (I have a pair of trusty old RK-9000s, one at home and one at the office) into it. If I want to get stuff done on the bus/train, I drag a 2nd laptop along (HP EliteBook). The HP's keyboard isn't fantastic, but it is better than the MBP's.
Just as long as it's not a recalled Envy model. Those come with the Vesuvius App preinstalled.
NovusBogus wrote:I don't think there's any overlap between the Elitebook and Envy lines, but it's always good to check. The recall did affect some Probook products but those are still a lot closer to consumer-class derp than the actually fairly decent corporate stuff. With HP/Dell/Lenovo notebooks, I say either go all the way with a top tier business edition or skip them entirely for a PC-focused manufacturer like Asus or Clevo.
just brew it! wrote:I don't think I've ever met a laptop keyboard I truly liked. They seem to range from awful to tolerable. The old ThinkPads were the least bad. Have not tried a recent ThinkPad.
Pancake wrote:just brew it! wrote:I don't think I've ever met a laptop keyboard I truly liked. They seem to range from awful to tolerable. The old ThinkPads were the least bad. Have not tried a recent ThinkPad.
Tandy Model 100 was pretty good.
Chrispy_ wrote:Pancake wrote:just brew it! wrote:I don't think I've ever met a laptop keyboard I truly liked. They seem to range from awful to tolerable. The old ThinkPads were the least bad. Have not tried a recent ThinkPad.
Tandy Model 100 was pretty good.
Well, if your definition of a laptop extends to something that requires wheeled luggage to move around, then the Acer Predator 21X has a keyboard with Cherry MX Brown keys. That's my gold standard for keyboard ergonomics.
Obviously not a serious suggestion, but I can't take suggestions about Apple's flat, lifeless, chiclet, minimal-travel keyboards seriously either
just brew it! wrote:Some of it was self-inflicted.The Kaypro basically killed Osborne.
Chrispy_ wrote:Cheers all, found a Thinkpad i3-7100U 13" ultrabook on clearance with an SSD and the non-backlit, sculpted, concave keys with a good few mm of travel. Notebookcheck reviews confirm that Thinkpad's standard (non-backlit) keyboards are the best or among them
Also, dear Apple lovers, I understand that you like your keyboards, but from an ergonomics standpoint they are a cancer that has harmed the industry; In terms of ergonomics they are professionally (ie, in the professional judgement of qualified physiotherapists, doctors and ergonomics experts) quantifiably terrible, both the new butterfly switches and also the older scissor switches.
I agree they look good but that's often the problem with form-over-function, it's not a good idea when it actually causes harm. Type 50,000 words a day for 52 weeks a year and then tell me you love them
JustAnEngineer wrote:just brew it! wrote:Some of it was self-inflicted.The Kaypro basically killed Osborne.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
derFunkenstein wrote:Chrispy_ wrote:Also, dear Apple lovers, I understand that you like your keyboards, but from an ergonomics standpoint they are a cancer that has harmed the industry; In terms of ergonomics they are professionally (ie, in the professional judgement of qualified physiotherapists, doctors and ergonomics experts) quantifiably terrible, both the new butterfly switches and also the older scissor switches.
Not sure I fall in the "Apple lover" category but I love my MBP. At the same time, I really don't love the keyboard for all the reasons you mention.
DancinJack wrote:Lump me in here too. I can "handle" the old style chiclets (though it is FAR from ideal), but the new keyboard is complete and utter trash.
kvndoom wrote:Chrispy_ wrote:Also, dear Apple lovers, I understand that you like your keyboards, but from an ergonomics standpoint they are a cancer that has harmed the industry
Is THAT where this ridiculous fad came from? Ugh! "Cancer" is too nice a word!
We have some HP desktops at work that came with those horrid flat keyboards. With the ones I use frequently, I've gone and found old retired USB keyboards from storage lockers and swapped them out. They might be old and grungy but at least they have real buttons!