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Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:28 pm

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LG 2019 TV lineup includes HDMI 2.1 woooooooooooo
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And through the inclusion of HDMI 2.1 ports, all 2019 OLED TVs and selected NanoCell TVs with ThinQ AI will support high frame rate (HFR). The result is smoother and clearer motion at 120 frames per second for better rendering of fast-action content such as sports and action movies. Support for enhanced audio return channel (eARC) enables home theater enthusiasts to seamlessly utilize HDMI connectivity and enjoy the highest quality audio formats available with superb detail and depth. An excellent option for gamers, the new TVs are compatible with variable refresh rate (VRR) as well as automatic low latency mode (ALLM) which helps deliver a clean image, without stutter or tearing.
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Re: CES 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:52 pm

I wonder if VRR on the spec is proprietary or not. It could be a game changer if it is compatible with VESA's VRR spec.
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Re: CES 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:19 pm

VESA's VRR spec is part of the HDMI 2.1 spec, so if LG is claiming VRR and HDMI 2.1 compliance, they're pretty certain to be implementing the open standard.

That said, I don't know how much of a game-changer it will be; it's part of the slow burn towards the open standard rather than a sudden world-changing explosion. I mean, LG isn't even the first to do this: Samsung introduced VRR support in their 2018 models a few months back. But it was only in their high-end lines, and LG appears to be doing the same thing: "all 2019 OLED TVs and select NanoCell TVs with ThinQ AI" is pretty much their most expensive models at a given panel size. Which is what you'd expect: desirable features debut at the high end and then filter down. But that just gets back to this being a slow turning towards the open standard rather than a sudden shift in the market. Which is still a good thing: the gears turn slowly, but they're turning in the right direction. Barring some shenanigans by nVidia, the market will get there eventually.

Now get ready for the $199 six-foot gold-plated-connector HDMI cables Monster is going to insist you need for this.
 
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Re: CES 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:32 pm

I usually litter the main page comment sections with snarky "what's the booth number?" posts to register my displeasure with PC hardware companies' tendency to make "CES announcements" but not actually participate in the show itself, so I'll just preemptively leave my complaint here and be done with it. Plus I have some bigger fish to fry next week and probably won't be around very much.
 
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Re: CES 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:59 pm

I can think of SIXTEEN reasons why this will be Intel's final CES appearance.

In fact, I doubt they'll even make it to Friday before it's all over.
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Re: CES 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:00 pm

I'm in the market for a pricey gaming ultraportable, so eagerly awaiting news of Nvidia's 1100-series. I'd be more excited about the successor to the 2500U and 2700U if AMD hadn't completely failed to provide adequate driver support for the 2500U and 2700U during the last year, and the rumour-mill says that the 3000-series mobile Ryzen is still just Raven-ridge. In other words, a rebrand just for CES 2019.

I predict lots of paper-launches, followed by dozens of design-win announcements, yet nothing but MX150 and UHD 620 ultrabooks for another 6+ months.
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Re: CES 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:42 pm

HDMI 2.1 is what I'm waiting for before I upgrade my other TV and my Denon 2808. I look forward to the next gen OLED going on clearance next year!
 
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Re: CES 2019

Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:01 pm

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https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190104005350/en/KOHLER-Announces-Smart-Products-Kitchen-Bathroom-Expands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYsy9Yd5grs

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Re: CES 2019

Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:07 pm

https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-sma ... ring-2019/

At least Apple seems to KNOW that they're in trouble with hardware sales. Though, honestly, I'm not sure the right play is to put iTunes onto TVs in 2019. They need the services revenue though, and this looks like a clear statement that Apple TV doesn't sell very well?
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Re: CES 2019

Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:33 pm

This is just Airplay right? Most mid and high end receivers include this so putting on the TV makes sense.

EDIT: I can’t read. Yeah having an App seems weird.
 
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:52 pm

So, LG and Vizio (in addition to Samsung) add Airplay 2 to their new TVs. Apple TV may as well be dead at this point.

In other CES news....

- Samsung had a 75" MicroLED prototype which is awesome. Hopefully we can get some consumer microLED TVs come 2020.
- LG had their rollable OLED on display again, saying it will actually be for sale now. meh imo.
- GE made big ass displays for the kitchen lol so you can stream music I guess?
- Sennheiser made a cool soundbar (though honestly if you spend that much on a soundbar you crazy)
- Wi-Fi 6 routers popping up (very meh right now)



links to the above stuff
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/6/18168 ... y-ces-2019
https://www.whathifi.com/news/lg-unveil ... t-ces-2019
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home/kitchen-hub/
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/ambeo-soundbar
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker ... y-ces-2019
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:40 pm

DancinJack wrote:
So, LG and Vizio (in addition to Samsung) add Airplay 2 to their new TVs. Apple TV may as well be dead at this point.

As I've thought more about it, the big advantage I see is that Apps are more likely to be updated for AppleTV than for the 3Million different TV interfaces. If I recall correctly, the developer can write the program for iOS & TvOS at the same time.
 
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:11 pm

Usacomp2k3 wrote:
DancinJack wrote:
So, LG and Vizio (in addition to Samsung) add Airplay 2 to their new TVs. Apple TV may as well be dead at this point.

As I've thought more about it, the big advantage I see is that Apps are more likely to be updated for AppleTV than for the 3Million different TV interfaces. If I recall correctly, the developer can write the program for iOS & TvOS at the same time.

I actually think maybe it's the other way around? Everything on these TVs is surely JS (and more likely Electron/Node). Porting between WebOS/Tizen/whatever_Vizio_does should be pretty trivial. The big outlier is tvOS/iOS.
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:40 pm

DancinJack wrote:
Usacomp2k3 wrote:
DancinJack wrote:
So, LG and Vizio (in addition to Samsung) add Airplay 2 to their new TVs. Apple TV may as well be dead at this point.

As I've thought more about it, the big advantage I see is that Apps are more likely to be updated for AppleTV than for the 3Million different TV interfaces. If I recall correctly, the developer can write the program for iOS & TvOS at the same time.

I actually think maybe it's the other way around? Everything on these TVs is surely JS (and more likely Electron/Node). Porting between WebOS/Tizen/whatever_Vizio_does should be pretty trivial. The big outlier is tvOS/iOS.

I would think iOS adoption dwarfs all others (android mobile excluded) combined.
 
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:49 pm

Usacomp2k3 wrote:
I would think iOS adoption dwarfs all others (android mobile excluded) combined.

Oh I'm sure you're correct there, but it still requires SOME work for iOS -> tvOS (though again, it's not a complete rewrite thankfully). I'm not sure it matters all that much though.
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:07 pm

DancinJack wrote:
https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-smart-tvs-launch-itunes-movies-tv-shows-support-airplay-2-spring-2019/

At least Apple seems to KNOW that they're in trouble with hardware sales. Though, honestly, I'm not sure the right play is to put iTunes onto TVs in 2019. They need the services revenue though, and this looks like a clear statement that Apple TV doesn't sell very well?

Every TV on earth seems to be a smart TV these days, and most people are content to just use whatever is on their TV. For this reason I expect that iTunes will come to Roku (since Roku's OS is in lots of TVs these days) and other smart TV platforms. Of course the Apple TV doesn't sell well, because nobody needs one. Especially if they're trying to get into the streaming video services game. Although I gotta say they're very late to this game, if that is their goal.
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:22 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
DancinJack wrote:
https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung-smart-tvs-launch-itunes-movies-tv-shows-support-airplay-2-spring-2019/

At least Apple seems to KNOW that they're in trouble with hardware sales. Though, honestly, I'm not sure the right play is to put iTunes onto TVs in 2019. They need the services revenue though, and this looks like a clear statement that Apple TV doesn't sell very well?

Every TV on earth seems to be a smart TV these days, and most people are content to just use whatever is on their TV. For this reason I expect that iTunes will come to Roku (since Roku's OS is in lots of TVs these days) and other smart TV platforms. Of course the Apple TV doesn't sell well, because nobody needs one. Especially if they're trying to get into the streaming video services game. Although I gotta say they're very late to this game, if that is their goal.

They certainly are hard to recommend when they are >$100. Also why offer different amounts of local storage for a streaming box. How crazy. I guess it was leftover from when they were trying to get into the casual gaming market and needed install space.
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:26 pm

Not only that, but Roku streaming devices (the boxes/sticks) probably outsell Apple TV by an order of magnitude. Hell, I STILL use my Roku 3.

More CES news for the photogs of the forums: https://www.dpreview.com/news/731869775 ... ature-list
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:38 pm

Well, I had a 32GB 5th-gen Apple TV when I got my TCL 55P605 a year ago. I don't have it any longer. Nor do I have anything else with the primary purpose of streaming connected to that TV. Next up is the 32" 720p Westinghouse TV in our bedroom. The TV is old enough and has large enough bezels that this 40" model isn't THAT much larger. Most 37" TVs are smaller than my bedroom TV. :lol:
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:45 pm

Yeah, I'd use the integrated TV stuff more if they weren't so....mediocre. They're generally slower and buggier than the Roku. We have a 65" LG 4K TV that has up to date webOS but it's just slower and clumsier to use than the Roku so I don't use it. /shrug
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:55 pm

Well, these TVs are Roku TVs. The TCL in my living room is constantly updated to the latest Roku update in sync with the Roku on the third and final TV, which is downstairs. If you want OLED or 1000 nits of brightness, these TVs aren't for you, so I can see why people pass on them. But from a usability standpoint, it's refreshingly simple.
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Re: CES 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:32 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
Well, these TVs are Roku TVs. The TCL in my living room is constantly updated to the latest Roku update in sync with the Roku on the third and final TV, which is downstairs. If you want OLED or 1000 nits of brightness, these TVs aren't for you, so I can see why people pass on them. But from a usability standpoint, it's refreshingly simple.

That helps quite a bit :)
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Re: CES 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:53 am

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13774/in ... scade-lake

So, Ice Lake U for Holiday 2019. It sounds great and all, but I want a desktop version. I hope they include Wifi 6 in the desktop versions too, and don't leave it to board partners. I am pretty pumped for the Gen 11 gfx though. More encoding/decoding capabilities will be nice. And maybe HDMI 2.1!

Also, I don't want to start a whole thread for it so i'll just slap this in here. Apple isn't the only one down big in Q4. Samsung just advised they missed targets by quite a bit too: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/samsung ... ance-.html
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Re: CES 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:59 pm

The thing that actually has caught my attention the most so far is:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-46794087

A possibly brilliant disaster relief vehicle.

However, I think I shall rename it the Hyundai "AT-AT"
 
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Re: CES 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:34 pm

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Also, I don't want to start a whole thread for it so i'll just slap this in here. Apple isn't the only one down big in Q4. Samsung just advised they missed targets by quite a bit too: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/samsung ... ance-.html

And now LG - https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/lg-elec ... rcent.html
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