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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:05 pm

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I read through the press-release and didn't really see it mentioned how far back support would go. Is it purely drivers so it would apply to all generations of video cards. I'm interested if the Quadro M1200 in my laptop would work.

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Coming next week, this is changing. On January 15th, NVIDIA will be releasing a new driver that enables VESA Adaptive Sync support on GeForce GTX 10 and GeForce RTX 20 series (i.e. Pascal and newer) cards.

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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:10 pm

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I don't care too much about the G-Sync approval list as long as they implement the spec properly and don't remove the manual toggle sometime down the line (though that's unlikely given the kickback they'd probably experience).

Maybe. But I'm not convinced, not while Jensen Huang is going around saying that "[t]he truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work. They do not even work with AMD’s graphics cards”.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:10 pm

Aww, I thought I read it was Maxwell and up. I had started trying to find a new 4K freesync monitor. :/
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:30 pm

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Aww, I thought I read it was Maxwell and up. I had started trying to find a new 4K freesync monitor. :/

Yeah, it friggin' should be. Almost, if not, every Maxwell GPU had Gsync support. Though maybe it's something to do with GPU power in general. Nvidia wants their "Freesync" implementation to be a good experience and the better the GPU the better the experience (generally). I would say they're missing out on a huge market, but 9XX cards are pretty scant these days at retailers and it's not like Nvidia is gonna get any $$$$ from people buying Freesync monitors. /shrug
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:21 pm

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Aww, I thought I read it was Maxwell and up. I had started trying to find a new 4K freesync monitor. :/

Shwhat? A $1000 3.8 year old top-of-the-line GPU and NVIDIA don't support it? When AMD has the feature on a $150 5.8 y.o. midrange one, and everything since? Nightmare.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:21 pm

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Waco wrote:
Aww, I thought I read it was Maxwell and up. I had started trying to find a new 4K freesync monitor. :/

Nvidia wants their "Freesync" implementation to be a good experience and the better the GPU the better the experience (generally).

I find that Freesync can cover up older-crappier GPUs as well due to the low refresh rate ability. 40 FPS on a Freesync display is sooooo much nicer than 40 FPS on a non-vsync or vsync 60 Hz panel.

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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:27 pm

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Yeah, it friggin' should be. Almost, if not, every Maxwell GPU had Gsync support. Though maybe it's something to do with GPU power in general. Nvidia wants their "Freesync" implementation to be a good experience and the better the GPU the better the experience (generally). I would say they're missing out on a huge market, but 9XX cards are pretty scant these days at retailers and it's not like Nvidia is gonna get any $$$$ from people buying Freesync monitors. /shrug

Not based on the performance of that Titan, I'd expect it'll out-perform the RTX 2060.

I'd expect it's that they are 'encouraging' people to upgrade ... if you paid them $1k in 2015 and still have that card, you are probably not considered a 'good' customer, that's only $250 p.a. :evil:
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:28 pm

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I find that Freesync can cover up older-crappier GPUs as well due to the low refresh rate ability. 40 FPS on a Freesync display is sooooo much nicer than 40 FPS on a non-vsync or vsync 60 Hz panel.

I sit firmly in the "crappier" GPU camp even with the Titan Xm thanks to my 4K screen. I can't go back!

That's p much the biggest advantage of Free/Gsync IMO. The LFC in FS2 and Gsync is a godsend.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:31 pm

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DancinJack wrote:
Yeah, it friggin' should be. Almost, if not, every Maxwell GPU had Gsync support. Though maybe it's something to do with GPU power in general. Nvidia wants their "Freesync" implementation to be a good experience and the better the GPU the better the experience (generally). I would say they're missing out on a huge market, but 9XX cards are pretty scant these days at retailers and it's not like Nvidia is gonna get any $$$$ from people buying Freesync monitors. /shrug

Not based on the performance of that Titan, I'd expect it'll out-perform the RTX 2060.

I'd expect it's that they are 'encouraging' people to upgrade ... if you paid them $1k in 2015 and still have that card, you are probably not considered a 'good' customer, that's only $250 p.a. :evil:

Hey man, I don't work for Nvidia. I even said "it friggin' should be." I'm just guesstimating at why they're doing it. But also, how many people you think bought a Titan vs a 980?
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:36 pm

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Hey man, I don't work for Nvidia. I even said "it friggin' should be." I'm just guesstimating at why they're doing it. But also, how many people you think bought a Titan vs a 980?

Woah, sorry! Was trying to agree with you that they should support it and they were after more $$$$ ! The 'evil' smilie was for them...

(And BTW I have a whole lot of respect for the engineers that work for NVIDIA, just not the people who decide to put the prices up to 11 ...)
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:49 pm

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Woah, sorry! Was trying to agree with you that they should support it and they were after more $$$$ ! The 'evil' smilie was for them...

(And BTW I have a whole lot of respect for the engineers that work for NVIDIA, just not the people who decide to put the prices up to 11 ...)

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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:50 pm

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Aww, I thought I read it was Maxwell and up. I had started trying to find a new 4K freesync monitor. :/

Phooey. Looks like I'm on Maxwell as well.
 
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:35 pm

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Not based on the performance of that Titan, I'd expect it'll out-perform the RTX 2060.

I'd expect it's that they are 'encouraging' people to upgrade ... if you paid them $1k in 2015 and still have that card, you are probably not considered a 'good' customer, that's only $250 p.a. :evil:

A Titan Xm is generally between a GTX 980 and a 980 Ti, so they're probably pretty close (minus VRAM limitations). Thankfully I didn't pay anything for my Titan so I'm not too terribly salty...if I had? I'd be pretty darn cranky.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:51 pm

Topinio wrote:
Waco wrote:
I don't care too much about the G-Sync approval list as long as they implement the spec properly and don't remove the manual toggle sometime down the line (though that's unlikely given the kickback they'd probably experience).

Maybe. But I'm not convinced, not while Jensen Huang is going around saying that "[t]he truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work. They do not even work with AMD’s graphics cards”.


Freesync monitors range from pretty good to trash. While he might be exagering the bad part, his point isn't baseless.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:32 am

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Freesync monitors range from pretty good to trash. While he might be exagering the bad part, his point isn't baseless.

IDK about that. There might be a lot of bad ones, but I'd be surprised if it was most, and I don't believe that they "do not work", that's totally not the same thing as having a narrow range.

I do know that a lot of monitors are trash. If he'd said flat out that "[t]he truth is most of your PC monitors do not work. They do not even work with AMD’s graphics cards”, everyone ought to respond with ROFL. This is the same thing.

If NVIDIA had published an alphabetical whitelist of an equivalently tiny proportion of all monitors, and users had to use a button to get their NVIDIA GPU to have it talk to the other 99% of monitors that existed already, everyone would take the piss. Same thing.

Like, don't the people with those monitors (and AMD GPUs) already know they're not the best? Why can't NVIDIA just let it work? No-one's who now buys a NVIDIA GPU (when they weren't going to because they didn't want to lose FreeSync) would ever think worse of their new NVIDIA card for it seamlessly working just the same as their old AMD card did with that monitor.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:38 am

I agree here. And it's been said a thousand times, but there really needs to be an improvement in monitor spec requirements for VRR (aka actually advertising the range). That would solve the entire problem.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:43 pm

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Freesync monitors range from pretty good to trash. While he might be exagering the bad part, his point isn't baseless.


I agree, I suspect there's likely a nugget of truth in his statement. There's also complications created by HDMI FreeSync.

  • There's zero chance that there aren't broken FreeSync hardware or firmware in the marketplace, no hardware or software ships without bugs these days.
  • We have no clue how many broken implementations there are.
  • Odds are strong any flawed controllers are early models when the spec was new.
  • That doesn't mean that newly released controllers might not have flaws.
  • AMD might have implemented hacks into their drivers to work around these problems.
  • Just as Jensen claims, it's possible that these bugs, even with work arounds, have fundamentally crippled the VRR presentation and then his statement ends up being true.
  • NVIDIA can't support HDMI FreeSync, so any HDMI only FreeSync monitors are never going to be compatible.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:38 pm

Here's my experience with my c27hg70.

I have flickering in at least one of the games I play. This happens particularly when I move the mouse over menu items. It does however remove tearing. It also seems to work with hdr (same flickering in hdr). I'm going to try it in standard freesync range rather then the extended range. Maybe it will stop flickering in that mode.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:01 pm

I did some more testing. In the standard 72-144 (I think) it stopped flickering in the previous games.


Gtx 1080ti, c27hg70

Apparently the normal freesync range is 120-144..... Good thing I was in that exact range... That's not a very useful range though.
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:44 pm

I'm generally running my windows desktop at 120 Hz to have even multiples of 24, 30 and 60 Hz video.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:42 pm

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I'm generally running my windows desktop at 120 Hz to have even multiples of 24, 30 and 60 Hz video.

I also do this (on my PG279Q which clocks up to 165Hz, but more generally advertised at 144Hz). I also find 120Hz is a good place considering my setup (6700K+GTX 1080 @ 1440p).
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:23 am

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I'm generally running my windows desktop at 120 Hz to have even multiples of 24, 30 and 60 Hz video.

Does this particularly help?

I don't watch video on my main machine, but could live with setting its XL2730Z to 120 Hz if it'd help the other users who might.

(Does it mean I should set the HTPC's non-TV monitor (a 1908FP) to 60 Hz not its native 75 Hz too?)
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:31 am

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Gtx 1080ti, c27hg70
Apparently the normal freesync range is 120-144..... Good thing I was in that exact range... That's not a very useful range though.
Have you flashed the latest firmware for your Samsung C27HG70? I found that to be a pretty easy process once I found an old small USB drive. It may have to be formatted FAT for the monitor to recognize it.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:03 am

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I'm generally running my windows desktop at 120 Hz to have even multiples of 24, 30 and 60 Hz video.


Running my Gigabyte 580 with Nixeus 24 inch freesync at 120Hz vs. 144Hz allows the 580 to downclock the memory to 300MHz when not running games. This cools the whole card down, and allows the fans to stop spinning.
 
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:23 am

Working great on my 32CHG70.

CHG70s range (with current firmware update) should be 48-144 last I checked.
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:10 am

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I'm generally running my windows desktop at 120 Hz to have even multiples of 24, 30 and 60 Hz video.

Does Freesync work in desktop mode and do that for you automatically?
 
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Re: nVidia FreeSync support is coming?

Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:31 pm

I got this working on my Samsung CF791, but at least one of my games (Watch Dogs 2) has trouble alt-tabbing or with desktop interrupts like the volume overlay. When trying to return to the game the video cuts out and the monitor turns off until I alt-tab back to the desktop. Disabling G-Sync makes everything behave normally.

So still some kinks to work out, but the pendulum demo works fine. Maybe another couple driver releases and it'll be mature.

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