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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:07 am

I gotta be honest: it posts 4K results that are lower than I expected. 50% faster than a 980Ti, sure, but Ars and Anandtech both show Pascal is not playing new games (The Division, RotTR—even Witcher 3) with max details at 4K at 60 FPS. That's a huge disappointment. Guru 3D's site is totally broken right now under the load, but what little I could see it appears that they didn't even test at 4K.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:08 am

Has there been any indication of a GTX 1080 TI part?
 
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:13 am

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Has there been any indication of a GTX 1080 TI part?

This is the full-fat GP104. That'll have to wait for a trimmed-back GP100-based part.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:13 am

/waits impatiently for Phoronix's more comprehensive review.
 
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:16 am

Ugh:

Hexus wrote:
So how has Nvidia managed to beat its best card from last year, handily so in many cases, when using about 30 per cent less board power and a die that is roughly half the size? The devil, as always, is in the details, and GTX 1080 combines a number of cutting-edge benefits to boost efficiency to levels not seen before in the high-end gaming space. If you only take away one morsel of information from the introductory pages, it should be that efficiency, rather than brute force, is what drives the GTX 1080.


I like these guys, but i find this introductory paragraph (one of THREE) to be ironic for its lack of efficiency. I can't even finish the first page!


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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:31 am

Deanjo wrote:
/waits impatiently for Phoronix's more comprehensive review.

Yeah, like Phoronix got a card at DreamHack. You'll be waiting until well into June, I'm afraid.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:32 am

AMD hired Denny Green to deliver its response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECTt67adObI
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:33 am

derFunkenstein wrote:
Deanjo wrote:
/waits impatiently for Phoronix's more comprehensive review.

Yeah, like Phoronix got a card at DreamHack. You'll be waiting until well into June, I'm afraid.

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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:38 am

If founders cards are available May 27 and Phoronix is planning to post a review "this month" then it'll hardly be in-depth, which is a shame.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:41 am

derFunkenstein wrote:
If founders cards are available May 27 and Phoronix is planning to post a review "this month" then it'll hardly be in-depth, which is a shame.


Oh it will still be far more comprehensive of a review than all the ones out there so far that concentrate on a handful of games.
 
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 8:59 am

I will reserve all judgment on this card until I can see some trusty 99th percentile frame time charts.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 9:07 am

Looks like a nice step up in performance, but it's nothing like what the hype train wanted it to be. It is what I was really expecting. Nice upgrade from the 9xx series, but not groundbreaking in any way. I'm still happy with my 980Ti purchase a few months ago and I'm sure it'll last me until the 11xx nvidia and 5xx AMD parts.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 9:07 am

Yeah, this confirms the announcement.

It's a really shame for us as consumers that the first launch of the new cards has so aggressively pushed performance over power use as it means the rest of the lines will have to follow.

I guess AMD might be able to use the Polaris/Vega and 400/Fury split to draw a distinction between mainstream cards and special purpose ones (VR etc.) and in that way break the trend but I suspect we're looking at the entire range just copying the power consumption of the previous generation instead of getting any lower.
 
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 9:13 am

EndlessWaves wrote:
Yeah, this confirms the announcement.

It's a really shame for us as consumers that the first launch of the new cards has so aggressively pushed performance over power use as it means the rest of the lines will have to follow.


Power consumption isn't a concern for 99% of the people that purchase these cards, just like gas mileage isn't a concern with muscle cars.
 
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 9:17 am

This is the first I've seen/heard about Simultaneous Multi-Projection (p3 on the PCPer article). That's pretty exciting!!! Although it seems this needs to be included/implemented in game code to be taken advantage of? The matchup between the 1080 being slightly slower than SLI'd 980's doesn't change from "traditional" gaming to the VR tests despite all the supposed performance improvements offered by SMP on the 1080.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 9:23 am

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Yeah, this confirms the announcement.

It's a really shame for us as consumers that the first launch of the new cards has so aggressively pushed performance over power use as it means the rest of the lines will have to follow.



Uh, all the reviews I have seen have indicated that the GTX-1080 has the best power efficiency of any card on the market by a big big margin.
Additionally, every review I have seen indicates that the officially announced power draw of 180 watts (without overclocking) is quite accurate.
For perspective, if I were to purchase a GTX-1080 at stock speeds to replace my existing GTX-770, the maximum power draw of the new card would be less than what I'm running right now. For a pretty massive performance improvement to boot.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 9:44 am

EndlessWaves wrote:
Yeah, this confirms the announcement.

It's a really shame for us as consumers that the first launch of the new cards has so aggressively pushed performance over power use as it means the rest of the lines will have to follow.

I guess AMD might be able to use the Polaris/Vega and 400/Fury split to draw a distinction between mainstream cards and special purpose ones (VR etc.) and in that way break the trend but I suspect we're looking at the entire range just copying the power consumption of the previous generation instead of getting any lower.


1080 beats everything else in its price and performance range for power usage so imo its power efficient

if you want a low power card wait for the 1060 or 1050 which will eventually come
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 10:07 am

I don't see any mention of VESA Adaptive Sync support....booooo :evil:
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 10:12 am

So who is planning on buying one?
 
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Tue May 17, 2016 10:23 am

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So who is planning on buying one?


This Guy! (although not the "founder's edition" version).
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 10:43 am

Deanjo wrote:
EndlessWaves wrote:
Yeah, this confirms the announcement.

It's a really shame for us as consumers that the first launch of the new cards has so aggressively pushed performance over power use as it means the rest of the lines will have to follow.


Power consumption isn't a concern for 99% of the people that purchase these cards, just like gas mileage isn't a concern with muscle cars.


It is more like 50-60% of the people aren't concerned with power consumption. The concern with power consumption has more to do with controlling noise levels then anything else. Less power consumption = slower RPM fans = less noise.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 10:44 am

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whm1974 wrote:
So who is planning on buying one?


This Guy! (although not the "founder's edition" version).


Me too, probably.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 10:55 am

EndlessWaves wrote:
Yeah, this confirms the announcement.

It's a really shame for us as consumers that the first launch of the new cards has so aggressively pushed performance over power use as it means the rest of the lines will have to follow.


Performance and efficiency are the same thing. Greater efficiency means greater potential performance, and lower power usage means more performance within the given power envelopes specified by the PCIe spec.

Krogoth wrote:
Deanjo wrote:
Power consumption isn't a concern for 99% of the people that purchase these cards, just like gas mileage isn't a concern with muscle cars.

It is more like 50-60% of the people aren't concerned with power consumption. The concern with power consumption has more to do with controlling noise levels then anything else. Less power consumption = slower RPM fans = less noise.


And heat output, but that's mostly true.

Expect third-party designs to improve on Nvidia's basic equation using open-air coolers, while leaving circulation management to the end user. These cards will very likely use more power and produce more heat, but will be faster and at least as quiet.
 
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 10:57 am

Krogoth wrote:
Less power consumption = slower RPM fans = less noise.


Not true, noise levels are more dependent on the cooling solution being used and not necessarily the power consumption. My old Geforce 4 4600 and GTX-275 for example are far louder than the Titan's for example despite being just a fraction of the power consumption. Changing the cooling solution on both those cards however to a passive HS all of a sudden made them silent. Same TDP, completely different noise levels. So while yes, power consumption will factor into the heat generated, it is the cooling solutions efficiency that will ultimately determine how loud a system is.
 
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 11:03 am

Deanjo wrote:
Krogoth wrote:
Less power consumption = slower RPM fans = less noise.


Not true, noise levels are more dependent on the cooling solution being used and not necessarily the power consumption. My old Geforce 4 4600 and GTX-275 for example are far louder than the Titan's for example despite being just a fraction of the power consumption.


You still are going to have move that heat away in some shape and form. It is much easier to control noise levels and engineer near-silent HSF solutions if you don't have to move around a crap ton of heat.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 11:14 am

Krogoth wrote:
Deanjo wrote:
Krogoth wrote:
Less power consumption = slower RPM fans = less noise.


Not true, noise levels are more dependent on the cooling solution being used and not necessarily the power consumption. My old Geforce 4 4600 and GTX-275 for example are far louder than the Titan's for example despite being just a fraction of the power consumption.


You still are going to have move that heat away in some shape and form. It is much easier to control noise levels and engineer near-silent HSF solutions if you don't have to move around a crap ton of heat.


Custom boards like Asus Strix / Direct CU will likely ship with semi-passive solutions, you are making a big deal over nothing here. Temps will be fine and coolers will be quiet on such cards, which people will be more likely to buy than the "Founder's Edition" with $100 milking tax.
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 11:21 am

Krogoth wrote:
Deanjo wrote:
Krogoth wrote:
Less power consumption = slower RPM fans = less noise.


Not true, noise levels are more dependent on the cooling solution being used and not necessarily the power consumption. My old Geforce 4 4600 and GTX-275 for example are far louder than the Titan's for example despite being just a fraction of the power consumption.


You still are going to have move that heat away in some shape and form. It is much easier to control noise levels and engineer near-silent HSF solutions if you don't have to move around a crap ton of heat.


The fact remains that power consumption is a piss poor way (nearly no correlation at all) of determining noise levels as there are so many cooling solutions out there with varying efficiency and loudness. It's like trying to estimate top speed of a vehicle just based on horsepower without knowing the weight, drag co-efficiency etc.
 
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Re: GTX 1080 reviews

Tue May 17, 2016 11:39 am

DancinJack wrote:
chuckula wrote:
whm1974 wrote:
So who is planning on buying one?


This Guy! (although not the "founder's edition" version).


Me too, probably.


I'm interested. I really want a water cooled version that's single slot.

Am I interpreting the reviews correctly that the 1080 will allow me to use the 10bit color with my 10bit monitor? No need for Quadro anymore?
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