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evilpaul
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Using older cards with 1000 Series cards as primary?

Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:12 pm

Has anyone come across some tests to see how practical keeping your existing GPU installed when picking up a 1000 series one yet? I know the consensus with using a x50GT series Geforce for PhsyX when you got a x70GTX or x80GTX was "don't bother", but does that hold with the 960GTX and better parts of the 900 series?

Also, with DirectX 12 and (so far as I know only) Ashes of the Singularity supporting mixing GPUs has anyone tested to see if it runs faster with a decent 900 series card tagging along?

I won't have the free PCI express 3.0 lanes on my Z97 board for it to be practical for me, but I'm curious as to the results.
 
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Re: Using older cards with 1000 Series cards as primary?

Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:41 pm

evilpaul wrote:
Has anyone come across some tests to see how practical keeping your existing GPU installed when picking up a 1000 series one yet? I know the consensus with using a x50GT series Geforce for PhsyX when you got a x70GTX or x80GTX was "don't bother", but does that hold with the 960GTX and better parts of the 900 series?

Also, with DirectX 12 and (so far as I know only) Ashes of the Singularity supporting mixing GPUs has anyone tested to see if it runs faster with a decent 900 series card tagging along?

I won't have the free PCI express 3.0 lanes on my Z97 board for it to be practical for me, but I'm curious as to the results.

You have x16 lanes of PCIe v3.0 off the CPU for both Geforce cards. With both slots operating as x8 neither of cards will be starved for bandwidth if your concerned. The last time (2015?) TechPowerUp checked on scaling the hit was 1-5%.
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Re: Using older cards with 1000 Series cards as primary?

Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:25 pm

As biffzinker said, TPU found 98-99% scaling for all their tested resolutions with PCIe 3.0 x8.
Nvidia (980) card:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVI ... ng/21.html
Same results for AMD (Fury X) card:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD ... ng/18.html

Maybe with 1080 you might get to losing 3%? due to how fast it is?
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Re: Using older cards with 1000 Series cards as primary?

Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:17 pm

From what I remember from prior testing, dedicated PhysX needs a card that was within about 20% lower performance (of the primary video card) OR BETTER for an improvement. (..it also needs to be Nvidia with Nvidia, not other cards.) Also, the improvement seemed to "top-out" for an equal card of around a 15% performance boost, with lower performance cards (again, 20% drop) often providing about 10% improvement. (..it's been a long time since I looked at this though.) :oops:

If we apply the guess above, a standard 980 GTX (as a PhysX dedicated card) should provide almost a 10% improvement to a 1070 GTX. A 970 GTX might still provide some improvement, and I think it's likely that anything lower than that (960 GTX) would start to degrade performance. Might be wrong though, and if you've got the dissimilar cards you can always try it out. :wink:

Note that as long as the drivers (and game) support DX12's video-card "teaming", that the benefit should be much higher. Nvidia has huge resources when it comes to improving drivers, so my guess is that it won't be long before Ashes of the Singularity (a DX12 game) becomes a game that Nvidia cards see major improvements with adding video cards for full processing as opposed to a dedicated PhysX card.

Still, I can see people doing this for SLI configurations and games that aren't DX12 with supported drivers for "teaming". EX. 2x 1070 in SLI and along with a 980ti or Titan X (as a dedicated PhysX card) for everything BUT DX12 games that support "teaming" - and for those: "teaming" alone (or SLI and "teaming"). Provided the driver's are up to it: that should provide a lot of performance.
 
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Re: Using older cards with 1000 Series cards as primary?

Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:13 pm

biffzinker wrote:
You have x16 lanes of PCIe v3.0 off the CPU for both Geforce cards. With both slots operating as x8 neither of cards will be starved for bandwidth if your concerned. The last time (2015?) TechPowerUp checked on scaling the hit was 1-5%.
I know, but the Intel 750 PCIe SSD I've got in the second slot is tying up the second slot and 4 of those lanes. Until I pulled out a 3.5" internal drive bay I had my 970 running in the second slot at x8 speed and switching it to the first slot and "full speed" didn't make a difference.
 
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Re: Using older cards with 1000 Series cards as primary?

Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:31 am

Running two 970s on a 2500k system- that's 8x PCIe 2.0, no ill effects, and would be the same as 4x PCIe 3.0. You'd be surprised how little it matters in real-world performance.

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