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whm1974 wrote:

Guys correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most video cards sold are in the ~$100 to $200 range? And I kinda doubt that the average gamer is going to replace their 1080p display anytime soon.

The number one card on steam hw survey is GTX 970. Not really a $200 card. The number two and three cards are the 960 and 750 ti but add them together and 9.8% vs 7.3% doesnt seem to hold that to be true.

But i think its a little of "i walked to school up hill both ways..." Not sure $300 is as little big as it was before? The new x70 card is $450-ish.

whm1974 wrote:

Guys correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most video cards sold are in the ~$100 to $200 range? And I kinda doubt that the average gamer is going to replace their 1080p display anytime soon.

I'm replacing my 1080p display!  With a 1080p one.

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided already wants 4GB for High and more for higher at 1080p.

LostCat wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

Guys correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most video cards sold are in the ~$100 to $200 range? And I kinda doubt that the average gamer is going to replace their 1080p display anytime soon.

I'm replacing my 1080p display!  With a 1080p one.

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided already wants 4GB for High and more for higher at 1080p.

So for the people I know who buy "Walmart Specials" I'll recommend the 460 and 1050 w/ 4 GB  when they ask me about PC gaming.

Doesnt it really depend on their expected usage? Not what they can afford?

I had a GTX 750 ti for a while and really felt that I would have been happier with a GTX 960 for the one games I was playing. First time i'd gotten a x50 class card.

You either have enough oomph for good frame rates for the amount of eye candy you want or you dont... I would tell them that a x60 card is really the baseline for average gamers getting a good experience.

The RX460 is still a compromise card, no matter how you look at it unless they only play MOBA, Flash or very old games.

Keep in mind a lot of computers from Walmart and such don't have PCIe power connectors for video cards, which is the main reason I would recommend the 460 and 1050 in the first place. Pricing is another reason as well.

whm1974 wrote:

Keep in mind a lot of computers from Walmart and such don't have PCIe power connectors for video cards, which is the main reason I would recommend the 460 and 1050 in the first place. Pricing is another reason as well.

Combined turd and money pit.  If the end user doesn't know any better anyway, then they'll probably be fine with whatever you give them, but it's not the best choice for what they want to do if gaming is at all a part of that.  I think we've been here before...

That makes sense .

But, careful about RX 460, techspot has nice comparisons to other cards in summary,

In the end, the RX 460 stacks up well enough against Nvidia's year-old budget offerings but its small improvement in efficiency leaves us wondering how it will look beside a budget Pascal GPU. Furthermore, the budget Radeon is only attractive if you end up paying less than $120 for it.

When $ really matter, GTX 1050 might be better choice if limited to bus power and older AMD cards other wise. Have to wait for bus power only reviews.

Redocbew wrote:

whm1974 wrote:

Keep in mind a lot of computers from Walmart and such don't have PCIe power connectors for video cards, which is the main reason I would recommend the 460 and 1050 in the first place. Pricing is another reason as well.

Combined turd and money pit.  If the end user doesn't know any better anyway, then they'll probably be fine with whatever you give them, but it's not the best choice for what they want to do if gaming is at all a part of that.  I think we've been here before...

If they haved  ask me before they brought the polished turd, then I will advise them on what to get. But in the vast majority of cases I get asked after they have brought the polished turd.

Well yeah, and even if they do ask you beforehand they'll often go and buy a turd anyway.

The thing is, you keep talking about upgrades like this as if you want to be a turd polisher.  That's what I don't understand.  Maybe I got that part wrong, but turd polishing is a thing to be avoided, is it not?

Redocbew wrote:

Well yeah, and even if they do ask you beforehand they'll often go and buy a turd anyway.

The thing is, you keep talking about upgrades like this as if you want to be a turd polisher.  That's what I don't understand.  Maybe I got that part wrong, but turd polishing is a thing to be avoided, is it not?

It's not that I want to be a turd polisher but I can't stop myself from giving advice when asked. Of course I have told folks before that they have a turd and need to upgrade. For some reason they mad a me.

DPete27 wrote:

Sounds like the GTX1050 will launch mid-October and won't require 6-pin power.  I'd predict that performance to be just a smidge below the RX470 and priced as such.

Sounds great if it's ≤ 55 W and LP, not so great otherwise (1 GB is enough for WoW Legion )

I get the feeling that whm meets a lot of people and asks them 1. what religion do they participate in, and then if they answer anything beyond "no" / "athiest" / "jedi" sends them off with his recommendation of top-of-the-line walmart PC with 200kb of ram.....

yogibbear wrote:

I get the feeling that whm meets a lot of people and asks them 1. what religion do they participate in, and then if they answer anything beyond "no" / "athiest" / "jedi" sends them off with his recommendation of top-of-the-line walmart PC with 200kb of ram.....

I don't think that's fair (or on topic!). Pretty certain he wouldn't recommend the turd from Walmart, or do anything but try to help, from what I've seen in his posts.

Topinio wrote:

yogibbear wrote:

I get the feeling that whm meets a lot of people and asks them 1. what religion do they participate in, and then if they answer anything beyond "no" / "athiest" / "jedi" sends them off with his recommendation of top-of-the-line walmart PC with 200kb of ram.....  :o

I don't think that's fair (or on topic!).  Pretty certain he wouldn't recommend the turd from Walmart, or do anything but try to help, from what I've seen in his posts.

I certainly don't recommend people to  go and buy "Walmart Specials". And I don't ask people  about what religion they participate in. But I do offer my help when they ask.

yogibbear wrote:

I get the feeling that whm meets a lot of people and asks them 1. what religion do they participate in, and then if they answer anything beyond "no" / "athiest" / "jedi" sends them off with his recommendation of top-of-the-line walmart PC with 200kb of ram.....

fyi, your post is rude.

I did recently start playing RotTR with a reference 780 Ti and with its 3 Gigs it couldn't handle very high textures, at 1080p. Because I have 8 Gigs of Ram and a small pagefile (.2 to 1G) it would immediately crash and eject the game from memory. So not a good decision to get a 780 Ti instead of a 290/x in hindsight.

USAFTW wrote:

I did recently start playing RotTR with a reference 780 Ti and with its 3 Gigs it couldn't handle very high textures, at 1080p. Because I have 8 Gigs of Ram and a small pagefile (.2 to 1G) it would immediately crash and eject the game from memory. So not a good decision to get a 780 Ti instead of a 290/x in hindsight.

I think that's more 'why to let the OS automatically handle your pagefile'

LostCat wrote:

USAFTW wrote:

I did recently start playing RotTR with a reference 780 Ti and with its 3 Gigs it couldn't handle very high textures, at 1080p. Because I have 8 Gigs of Ram and a small pagefile (.2 to 1G) it would immediately crash and eject the game from memory. So not a good decision to get a 780 Ti instead of a 290/x in hindsight.

I think that's more 'why to let the OS automatically handle your pagefile'

Yes. The decision itself seems good, on balance if not all round, but not for that reason. Even on a small SSD system, you can put a system-managed paging file on a mechanical drive and not have such crashes...