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GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:33 am

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvi ... ,4787.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3134528/ ... pions.html
http://hothardware.com/reviews/nvidia-g ... -ti-review
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7914/m ... index.html

Much like everyone anticipated, the 1050Ti makes the 460 look kinda slow. I'm a bit surprised at how much breathing room the RX 470 has, though. I wonder if that card's price drop was because people were skipping it in favor of the RX480 rather than any threat from Nvidia.

At any rate, the GP107 looks like a decent option for low-priced 1080p gaming. Power consumption is right where it was advertised, and it looks like at least Tom's got a decent OC out of its sample, so there's some headroom. I'm interested in what GP107 notebooks cost, because I think it'll be a popular option.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:40 am

The power consumption vs. performance figures are very strong for these cards compared to the Rx 460.

The Rx 470 is definitely in the next performance tier up from these cards, but if AMD wants to really slash the prices deeply it won't be very helpful to their bottom line. Remember, the Polaris 10 dies for the Rx 470 are bigger than the full-sized GP106 die for the GTX-1060... the GP-107 dies for these new cards are only a little bit bigger than the Rx 460's Polaris 11 die.

AMD might be better served by releasing a fully-enabled Polaris 11 die for cheap. It won'd beat the 1050Ti outright, but it could close the gap in a more economical manner.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:25 am

One thing about the GTX-1050 cards: They appear to be in-stock at pretty much the MSRP that was listed for them at launch.

Plain GTX-1050: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500412&cm_re=GTX-1050-_-14-500-412-_-Product
GTX-1050Ti: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500411&cm_re=1050Ti-_-14-500-411-_-Product
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:41 am

There's also a $170 RX 470 that would be an awful tempting upgrade. For $30 more than that Zotac, you can have 35-50% better performance at 1080p.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:07 am

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AMD might be better served by releasing a fully-enabled Polaris 11 die for cheap. It won'd beat the 1050Ti outright, but it could close the gap in a more economical manner.

This is too true, Chuckula. A hand-picked RX 460 "XT" with everything turned on and overclocked would be an awesome card.  
One issue that I can see is the possibility of needing PCIe power, though.
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:36 am

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There's also a $170 RX 470 that would be an awful tempting upgrade. For $30 more than that Zotac, you can have 35-50% better performance at 1080p.

And for only $5 more than that, you can get a 4GB RX 480 using the current $25 off purchase of >$200 Mastercard promo on newegg.

Ultimately, I think all the cards are priced well according to their performance and marketability.  The 2GB GTX 1050 is a better buy than the 2GB RX 460 at the same price, but 2GB is going to be limiting, and you don't get FreeSync support.  Those benefits justify a $10-$20 premium for a 4GB RX460.  Then you get the added performance of the 4GB GTX 1050Ti, and pay 30-40% more for 30-40% higher performance with the RX 470.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:42 am

DPete27 wrote:
derFunkenstein wrote:
There's also a $170 RX 470 that would be an awful tempting upgrade. For $30 more than that Zotac, you can have 35-50% better performance at 1080p.

And for only $5 more than that, you can get a 4GB RX 480 using the current $25 off purchase of >$200 promo on newegg.

The new cards are awesome for the price points. I have a old 7870 / 270X card with a broken fan - for a little more than a new heatsink I can get a 460 that's almost as fast.
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:46 pm

1050 - good deal at its base-price.

1050Ti - not so much value on offer.


So basically for performance value it's:

(increasing performance at the lowest prices available for the respective cards): 1050, 470, 1060 (3GB), 1070.
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:24 pm

CScottG wrote:
1050 - good deal at its base-price.

1050Ti - not so much value on offer.

It was kind of surprising to see how little difference there was between the two, even though the Ti has twice the VRAM.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:18 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
There's also a $170 RX 470 that would be an awful tempting upgrade. For $30 more than that Zotac, you can have 35-50% better performance at 1080p.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... -_-Product


Counterpoint: sometimes you really can't spend that extra 30 bucks because you're just barely affording the extra purchase. That, I feel, is part of the appeal of lower end cards(I know it's part of the appeal to me; I ain't got **** for cash). That and of course sometimes you just don't need heavy amounts of performance.
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:40 pm

Here's reviews of the MSI 1050 2GB and MSI 1050Ti 4GB cards with TONS of cards to compare it to

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/ms ... iew,1.html
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:49 pm

I.S.T. wrote:
sometimes you really can't spend that extra 30 bucks because you're just barely affording the extra purchase.

A fair argument, but as a counter to your counter, it's pretty easy to save $30 somewhere else in day-to-day life.  Couple less trips to Starbucks, couple less restaurant meals, etc etc.  Even if it takes you a couple months, it's definitely do-able.  Just start a list of conscious "sacrifices" you make to save a couple bucks here and there and BOOM, there's your upgrade!
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:09 pm

How much longer can that RX 470 last over the GTX 1050Ti as a 1080p video card? Another year or more? It practically pays for itself.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:42 pm

So with the performance of the 1050 and 1050Ti, Nvidia is now coming back to the Budget Box?
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:05 pm

The continuing moving goalposts.
My advice to anyone/everyone-whatever it takes go for a minimum 470/480 or 1060 on the desktop.

Looking at a few reviews-seems this would be a perfect 15"-1080 lappy GPU.
The 1050 comes in around 50% of a 1060 and the Ti around 60%.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:34 pm

Is anyone benchmarking budget CPUs with these? If you are running a budget card then you are probably running a budget CPU. Historical, that would likely favor Nvidia, especially on Linux.
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:13 pm

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  Historical, that would likely favor Nvidia.

Perhaps on low end $400 lappys yes.
On desktop AMD had the budget end all sown up prior to the last year.
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that continued when it re-branded to 270 series....................................................

I agree it would be nice to see how a 1050 goes with a i3.
anything less could be a bottleneck in CPU intensive games.......................
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:15 am

My theory is that people buying these very budget CPUs (x4, FX, i3, etc.) would be better served with an Nvidia card because the CPU can feed it better than an AMD card.  It has little to do with the card itself.  I agree, AMD makes a fine card, but their drivers have had a lot of overhead.  I'm hoping that has changed and maybe TR can investigate.
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:58 pm

If you're on a budget, the exorbitant price of NVidia's proprietary G-Sync ($175+ more than similar monitors with VESA standard adaptive sync aka AMD's FreeSync) is a huge strike against using an NVidia graphics card.  These low-to-mid range graphics cards benefit more from adaptive sync more than expensive high-end graphics cards do. The cheapest G-Sync monitor on the market (AOC G2460PG) is $382:o  The similar AOC G2460PF with FreeSync is just $200.  With an extra $182 in your pocket, you can upgrade other components to provide a more enjoyable gaming experience.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:36 pm

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If you're on a budget, the exorbitant price of NVidia's proprietary G-Sync ($175+ more than similar monitors with VESA standard adaptive sync aka AMD's FreeSync) is a huge strike against using an NVidia graphics card.  These low-to-mid range graphics cards benefit more from adaptive sync more than expensive high-end graphics cards do. The cheapest G-Sync monitor on the market (AOC G2460PG) is $382:o  The similar AOC G2460PF with FreeSync is just $200.  With an extra $182 in your pocket, you can upgrade other components to provide a more enjoyable gaming experience.

$182 alone would probably net you an extremely good video card alone for its price, I suspect, let alone if it's "extra money" for the video card or other components.

However, I do have to wonder: I don't think most people are going to just get an adaptive sync monitor of any sort when they're buying a $100-150 video card. If you're getting these video cards, they might probably prefer to just drop settings and/or resolution.

I suppose you can say that the thing goes both ways. Interesting things... honestly though, from a $100-150 video card, if you're adding about $70-80 to the budget, you basically get another tier of video card - ~470/1060 3GB tier, I believe. Basically we have to weight adaptive sync vs graphical power enough to make performance mostly a non-issue. These monitors probably don't make too much sense when the video cards are already value-minded and the person playing with it either doesn't almost game exclusively or is likely to play only not-as-demanding titles.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:26 am

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However, I do have to wonder: I don't think most people are going to just get an adaptive sync monitor of any sort when they're buying a $100-150 video card. If you're getting these video cards, they might probably prefer to just drop settings and/or resolution.

I suppose you can say that the thing goes both ways. Interesting things... honestly though, from a $100-150 video card, if you're adding about $70-80 to the budget, you basically get another tier of video card - ~470/1060 3GB tier, I believe. Basically we have to weight adaptive sync vs graphical power enough to make performance mostly a non-issue. These monitors probably don't make too much sense when the video cards are already value-minded and the person playing with it either doesn't almost game exclusively or is likely to play only not-as-demanding titles.

You're right, if someone's buying a graphics card and has "only" $100-$150 to spend then they are not going to (be able to) just get a variable refresh rate monitor too -- and it's more likely that someone else with $300-$350 to spend is going to choose to get a $300-$350 graphics card than a $100-$150 graphics card and a $200 Adaptive-Sync monitor.

But it's also true that neither of those people can even afford the G-SYNC monitor...

Where these VRR monitors do make sense is if you have used one. (I would drop 144 Hz before dropping VRR, and drop down to 1920x1080 too. The drop from 1920x1080 to 1280x1024 is less "bad" too, IMO.)

Once you know you really want a VRR monitor, things become different:

1) If you currently have a NVIDIA card, you have to spend $385+ and either get just a G-SYNC monitor to use with your old GPU, or you switch and get a new Adaptive-Sync monitor and (at least) a RX 470 (which will beat anything slower than a GTX 970).

2) If you currently have an AMD graphics card, you can get away with spending "only" $200, or you can switch but you have to spend $500 which will land you a G-SYNC monitor with a GTX 1050 (which will be a side- or downgrade for anyone on a R9 380/HD 7970 level card).
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:15 am

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My theory is that people buying these very budget CPUs (x4, FX, i3, etc.) would be better served with an Nvidia card because the CPU can feed it better than an AMD card.  It has little to do with the card itself.  I agree, AMD makes a fine card, but their drivers have had a lot of overhead.  I'm hoping that has changed and maybe TR can investigate.

Going up a step-480 and 1060 can hardly see a difference-with team red ever so slightly in front-
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:55 am

$496 would get you a GeForce GTX1050 2GB card + the AOC G2460PG (24" 1920x1080 TN 144Hz G-Sync) display
$454 would get you a Radeon RX-480 8GB card + the AOC G2460PF (24" 1920x1080 TN 144Hz FreeSync) display
$445 would get you a GeForce GTX1060 6GB card + the AOC G2460PF (24" 1920x1080 TN 144Hz ______) display

Are there better combinations than any of these if you've got up to $515 to spend on a DX12 gaming graphics card plus gaming monitor?  I like the performance that NVidia has provided in a slot-powered graphics card, but it's frustrating that they are still pushing their very expensive proprietary G-Sync system rather than supporting the inexpensive VESA standard for adaptive refresh.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:38 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
If you're on a budget, the exorbitant price of NVidia's proprietary G-Sync ($175+ more than similar monitors with VESA standard adaptive sync aka AMD's FreeSync) is a huge strike against using an NVidia graphics card.  These low-to-mid range graphics cards benefit more from adaptive sync more than expensive high-end graphics cards do. The cheapest G-Sync monitor on the market (AOC G2460PG) is $382:o  The similar AOC G2460PF with FreeSync is just $200.  With an extra $182 in your pocket, you can upgrade other components to provide a more enjoyable gaming experience.


I'll be honest, I have no idea why on God's Green Earth why you brought this up.
 
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:56 am

freesync/gsync isnt that much of a big deal imo
i have a freesync monitor and i dont notice much difference at all unless i am under 50fps and if i am under 50fps then i would rather lower quality settings and get a higher fps than rely on freesync as a higher fps still feels better than a lower refresh/fps and freesync

imo buying a better card and getting higher fps is much more worth it then buying a low end card and buying a freesync monitor at the same time
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:22 am

@ Topinio and Noinoi - You assume all consumers buying GPUs already have monitors?
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:36 am

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@ Topinio and Noinoi - You assume all consumers buying GPUs already have monitors?

Even if they don't already have one I don't think getting adaptive sync is first priority.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:26 am

While I agree with JAE that lower-end cards could benefit more from VRR monitors, I also agree with Noinoi that in this class of product such a monitor is not a concern. VRR doesn't truly "arrive" until monitors—especially lower-end ones—just ship with it.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:53 am

derFunk beat me to it.  VRR is most beneficial in this class of GPU that are going to have trouble producing 60fps at 1080p in some demanding titles with anything more than low-medium settings.  Something like this 24" Samsung monitor for $150 gets you a PLS panel and 48-75Hz (official) refresh range.  And while 48Hz is pretty high (biggest problem with current low-cost FreeSync monitors), I've seen user comments saying they were able to get 35-75Hz.  Considering that's almost exactly what you'd pay for a similar non-FreeSync monitor, it seems like a no-brainer.  Granted, not everyone is going to care about VRR, but as JAE said, it's an added value for AMD cards that comes at no cost to the buyer.

Back on topic, I'd have a hard time recommending a GPU with <3GB VRAM these days.  Just seems like 3-4GB is the new baseline.
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Re: GTX 1050 and 1050Ti reviews

Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:35 pm

Not sure what AMD was thinking with the 460 and 470, there is WAY too large a gap between their performance. Looks like Nvidia just drove right thru that hole.
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