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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:43 pm

CScottG wrote:
It's at that point where you should start considering importing for yourself.

Problem there is you usually get reamed on import duties (you're either paying Newegg or you're paying Canada Customs... pick your villain.)
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:08 pm

K-L-Waster wrote:
CScottG wrote:
It's at that point where you should start considering importing for yourself.

Problem there is you usually get reamed on import duties (you're either paying Newegg or you're paying Canada Customs... pick your villain.)

Cheaper to buy off .ca
there is currency conversion. Then taxes (13%) then a $10 customs fee if via USPS and Canada post. Purolator charges up to a $40 customs fee.
Also it can get stuck in customs, opened and inspected by people with no proper training on handling electronics.
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:03 pm

SmallinJeck wrote:
I guess I will have to go for RX 480 4GB although it still looks a bit exorbitant to me. 

You have basically (and finally, after all these replies :roll:) that even you think the RX 480 is expensive, which gives us some idea on your budget. Please let us know what resolution you are gaming at (1080p?), what are your other system components, and which titles you are looking to play.

Exorbitant is a relative term and it differs from one person to another. A friend of mine has those ultra-wide 1440p 34" monitor and an Oculus (for VR), so in his view a GTX 1080 is just right. You OTOH, think the ~$200 mark is already too expensive? Different expectations at work here.

CScottG wrote:
Canadians are definitely getting corn-holed on video card prices.  Average price is way beyond the 25% currency difference with the US dollar

Oh please, it is now 30-33%. It has not been 25% since April of last year. :cry:
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:49 pm

Flying Fox wrote:
CScottG wrote:
Canadians are definitely getting corn-holed on video card prices.  Average price is way beyond the 25% currency difference with the US dollar


Oh please, it is now 30-33%.  It has not been 25% since April of last year.   :cry:

But the net result is a lot worse than that.  The example I provided is more than a 60% difference.

..and I screwed that up, here it is even lower in the US:
https://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/ ... wAod910GQA

-makes me wonder if Newegg Canada is offering butter for free to ease the pain. :wink:
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:17 pm

CScottG wrote:
But the net result is a lot worse than that.  The example I provided is more than a 60% difference.

..and I screwed that up, here it is even lower in the US:
https://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/ ... wAod910GQA

-makes me wonder if Newegg Canada is offering butter for free to easy the pain. :wink:

It's terrible to be Canadian and in the market for a video card. I have a 7870 I was thinking of upgrading from to a 480 8gb. But it looks like I'll need to scale back my aspirations to the 470. Which is alright and I game at 1080p and focus more on Civ 6/RPG type of things though Total War is a beast. But I was just hopeful the 480rx 8gb would slide in under $300cdn.
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:41 pm

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 ..But I was just hopeful the 480rx 8gb would slide in under $300cdn.

It blows, but it's not brutally priced (w/rebate):
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.a ... 6814150770
Still, I'd wait until Vega if I were you.  If nothing else, it should lower the price of 480's..
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:33 pm

CScottG wrote:
Village wrote:
 ..But I was just hopeful the 480rx 8gb would slide in under $300cdn.

It blows, but it's not brutally priced (w/rebate):
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.a ... 6814150770
Still, I'd wait until Vega if I were you.  If nothing else, it should lower the price of 480's..

They are close, unfortunately that style is likely to be louder than I would like. I try to keep all my PC parts as silent as possible even if that means choosing slightly slower models with big ginormous slow moving fans. =)  Anyway, I'm in the market to rebuilt everything for the most part so I'll wait to Ryzen/Vega, see how they shake out the market and go from there.
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:39 am

Arvald wrote:
K-L-Waster wrote:
CScottG wrote:
It's at that point where you should start considering importing for yourself.

Problem there is you usually get reamed on import duties (you're either paying Newegg or you're paying Canada Customs... pick your villain.)

Cheaper to buy off .ca
there is currency conversion.  Then taxes (13%) then a $10 customs fee if via USPS and Canada post.  Purolator charges up to a $40 customs fee.
Also it can get stuck in customs, opened and inspected by people with no proper training on handling electronics.

Yes, it is cheaper to buy off .CA than to import on your own, but as others have mentioned it's nowhere near as cheap as being in the US and buying from .COM
(That would be one really good thing about if Radeon split off from the rest of AMD -- if they went back to the old ATI offices in Canada....)
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:57 pm

K-L-Waster wrote:
(That would be one really good thing about if Radeon split off from the rest of AMD -- if they went back to the old ATI offices in Canada....)

I don't think it makes any difference. Their manufacturing is either TSMC or GF, meaning they deal in USD$. Canadians will still be shafted. :x
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:15 am

CScottG wrote:
Canadians are definitely getting corn-holed on video card prices.  Average price is way beyond the 25% currency difference with the US dollar, particularly when looking at those lower-priced "deals".  It's at that point where you should start considering importing for yourself.

Ex. 
US:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 076&cm_sp=
Canada:
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.a ... 6814137076



(though rebates don't transfer, so you'd have to find a cherry-picked deal that isn't dependent on a US rebate):

Very sad indeed. What's even more painful is the fact that some of these high-end cards end up crashing after a short while.
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:39 am

CScottG wrote:
Canadians are definitely getting corn-holed on video card prices.  Average price is way beyond the 25% currency difference with the US dollar, particularly when looking at those lower-priced "deals".  It's at that point where you should start considering importing for yourself.

Ex. 
US:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 076&cm_sp=
Canada:
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.a ... 6814137076



(though rebates don't transfer, so you'd have to find a cherry-picked deal that isn't dependent on a US rebate):


only difference i see is the US one is out of stock haha :P

but ya, our prices are poo poo

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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:17 am

I recently saw a dual thrust GPU card with 5760 Cuda Cores. It goes for $3000.
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:41 pm

The thread kinda went off rails on the Canadian discussion. Not sure if SmallinJeck is from Canada?

Anyway, did you decide on something?
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:39 am

@DPete27 To tell you the truth, I'm still not sure what I should get. Do you have any suggestions?
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:50 am

I'd still recommend the RX470:
MSI RX470 4GB = $176 - $26 promo code TRIPLE15 - $10 MIR (MSI-17304) = $140ish
Asus RX470 4GB = $145 after MIR.
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:53 am

Just get a 1080 and a new monitor. You know you want to.
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:51 pm

SmallinJeck wrote:
Do you have any suggestions?

My suggestion would be to let everyone know what resolution monitor(s) you are wanting to drive and what games you are wanting to play so that they have at least some idea of what they should be recommending to you. Without this information they are only taking wild guesses and making assumptions which may be way off.

They can't provide you with useful information if you can't provide them with the basics.
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:53 am

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SmallinJeck wrote:
Do you have any suggestions?

My suggestion would be to let everyone know what resolution monitor(s) you are wanting to drive and what games you are wanting to play so that they have at least some idea of what they should be recommending to you. Without this information they are only taking wild guesses and making assumptions which may be way off.

They can't provide you with useful information if you can't provide them with the basics.

I totally agree, although in general we would be able to recommend some graphics cards that are really good quality for a decent price.
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:10 am

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ptsant wrote:
I absolutely agree on the RX480 4GB. It is a bit excessive for 1080p but the price difference from the 470 can be as little as $20-30, which buys ~10% more performance. I think this little bit of future-proofing is probably worth it. On the other hand, the move to the RX480 8GB or the 1060 is probably not "cost-effective" in my opinion.


Actually, I think the move to the RX480 or 1060 (6GB) is cost-effective. Look at the Fury X; Phenomenal compute power and memory bandwidth hampered by the fact that it's only a 4GB card and thus unsuitable for its target resolutions with 2016 and 2017 games. Sure, it'll beat lots of other cards at 1080p where 4GB is ample VRAM but the cheaper, cooler, quieter, newer, more advanced cards are already getting hundreds of fps without any of the Fury X's disadvantages. At 3440x1440 and above where it ought to shine, it chokes compared to the 8GB competition due to a shortage of VRAM.

I don't consider the RX480 to be made for 3440x1440, even though I bought it for 2560x1440p myself. Which is why I got the 8GB model. But if you play 1080p, I don't think you'll need 8GB soon and, meanwhile, the only performance benefit is the 7 vs 8 GHz RAM speed. So, you may not run into RAM limitations, but if you absolutely need 8GB, it's also quite probable that you need a faster card.
The 8GB model makes sense for people like me who want a little bit more for 1440p but who can't afford the huge jump to the 1070. I see it as a bit of a compromise, while the 480 4GB is almost overkill for 1080p.
Anyway, it all comes down to monitor resolutions and the relative utility of $40-50 (jump from 4GB to 8GB) to you...


Yep I'm definitely in the camp that thinks it's worth the extra $30-$50 to get the 6gb/8gb versions of the 1060/480 vs the 3gb/4gb versions. The way I think about it (and most expensive electronics purchases) - in a year or two, that $40 is totally irrelevant and "paid for". That's two lunches or a few beers after work. However that same $40 investment is totally relevant two or three years later when trying to play games both old and new. Over the life of the card (3-5 years?) $40 is a joke. I really apply this to almost all electronics purchases, where product differentiation can be $25-$50 up or down...always go for the best or 2nd best (unless best is $1,000 Titan lol).

I think the GTX 1060 3gb is pointless and even the RX 480 4gb is dicey. I think 1080p and above will want to have 6gb-8gb going forward and any resolution above 1080p will need at least 6gb. I'm currently using a 1060 6gb to drive a 34" 3440x1440 monitor - it works just fine, as did the 970 before it. I don't play super twitch games, but what I do play has no problems keeping up (Diablo 3, GTA 5, Civ 4, various emulators).
 
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Re: High-End Graphics Card for Video Games

Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:38 am

ptsant wrote:
Chrispy_ wrote:
ptsant wrote:
I absolutely agree on the RX480 4GB. It is a bit excessive for 1080p but the price difference from the 470 can be as little as $20-30, which buys ~10% more performance. I think this little bit of future-proofing is probably worth it. On the other hand, the move to the RX480 8GB or the 1060 is probably not "cost-effective" in my opinion.


Actually, I think the move to the RX480 or 1060 (6GB) is cost-effective. Look at the Fury X; Phenomenal compute power and memory bandwidth hampered by the fact that it's only a 4GB card and thus unsuitable for its target resolutions with 2016 and 2017 games. Sure, it'll beat lots of other cards at 1080p where 4GB is ample VRAM but the cheaper, cooler, quieter, newer, more advanced cards are already getting hundreds of fps without any of the Fury X's disadvantages. At 3440x1440 and above where it ought to shine, it chokes compared to the 8GB competition due to a shortage of VRAM.

I don't consider the RX480 to be made for 3440x1440, even though I bought it for 2560x1440p myself. Which is why I got the 8GB model. But if you play 1080p, I don't think you'll need 8GB soon and, meanwhile, the only performance benefit is the 7 vs 8 GHz RAM speed. So, you may not run into RAM limitations, but if you absolutely need 8GB, it's also quite probable that you need a faster card.
The 8GB model makes sense for people like me who want a little bit more for 1440p but who can't afford the huge jump to the 1070. I see it as a bit of a compromise, while the 480 4GB is almost overkill for 1080p.

Anyway, it all comes down to monitor resolutions and the relative utility of $40-50 (jump from 4GB to 8GB) to you...


I think I'm being misquoted here. The RX480 isn't a 3440x1440 card, I was talking about the Fury's limited VRAM at those resolutions, and it's 8GB competition (namely the 8GB 390X) or even cards like the Titan X or 980 Ti for that resolution.

Realistically, it's not worth skimping on RAM if you plan to use your GPU for more than a couple of years. You'll always suffer down the line when you eventually run out of VRAM.
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