Personal computing discussed

Moderators: morphine, SecretSquirrel

 
chuckula
Gold subscriber
Gerbil Jedi
Topic Author
Posts: 1534
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:18 pm
Location: Probably where I don't belong.

How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:02 pm

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... -_-Product

And that's the cheapest model that Newegg has in-stock, the other ones are over $700. The joys of mining fads.

For anybody who remembers what happened with the R9-290 & 290X in the last go-around, this doesn't actually mean good news for AMD since all of these cards are going to be dumped on the secondary markets in a few months.
4770K @ 4.7 GHz; 32GB DDR3-2133; GTX-1080; 512GB 840 Pro (2x); Fractal Define XL-R2; NZXT Kraken-X60
--Many thanks to the TR Forum for advice in getting it built.
 
DragonDaddyBear
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 630
Joined: Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:01 am

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:07 pm

It's really annoying, too. My friend really wants an AMD card because the FreeSync/Adaptive Synch monitors are significantly cheaper. He might limp along a 7 year old GPU until this fad dies down.
 
whm1974
Maximum Gerbil
Posts: 4815
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:30 pm

Lets see, the Miners of the latest "coin" fads is not only raising the cost of power bills for everyone else, they are also causing shortages of graphic cards for the rest of us as well. I really hope this Mining fad goes away in the future.
 
simbant
Gerbil
Posts: 19
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:45 am
Location: Pondicherry

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:33 pm

I would reckon, its just the (r)e-tailers are grabbing this markup. Or, would they pass on a little bit to AMD ? Just being naive....
 
Glorious
Gold subscriber
Grand Admiral Gerbil
Posts: 10095
Joined: Tue Aug 27, 2002 6:35 pm

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:38 pm

good grief
 
cynan
Gold subscriber
Graphmaster Gerbil
Posts: 1067
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 2:30 pm

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:43 pm

Last week, Newegg on Ebay had a 1080 Ti (Gigabyte non FE edition with 3 fans) for the same price. Is a 4GB Rx 480 really more efficient for mining than a 1080 Ti?
 
chuckula
Gold subscriber
Gerbil Jedi
Topic Author
Posts: 1534
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:18 pm
Location: Probably where I don't belong.

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:49 pm

cynan wrote:
Last week, Newegg on Ebay had a 1080 Ti (Gigabyte non FE edition with 3 fans) for the same price. Is a 4GB Rx 480 really more efficient for mining than a 1080 Ti?


YES! ABSOLUTELY!!! [looks around nervously trying to act cool and prevent a run on Ngreedia's cards too]
4770K @ 4.7 GHz; 32GB DDR3-2133; GTX-1080; 512GB 840 Pro (2x); Fractal Define XL-R2; NZXT Kraken-X60
--Many thanks to the TR Forum for advice in getting it built.
 
Demetri
Gerbil
Posts: 42
Joined: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:48 am

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:04 pm

chuckula wrote:
And that's the cheapest model that Newegg has in-stock, the other ones are over $700.


It's not actually Newegg, just the 3rd party sellers that work through their storefront. When Newegg has cards, the prices have been pretty reasonable, although they have been climbing. I was able to get an open box RX 480 8GB from them today for $216. You just have to be very motivated to get one before they sell out.
 
chuckula
Gold subscriber
Gerbil Jedi
Topic Author
Posts: 1534
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:18 pm
Location: Probably where I don't belong.

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:05 pm

Demetri wrote:
chuckula wrote:
And that's the cheapest model that Newegg has in-stock, the other ones are over $700.


It's not actually Newegg, just the 3rd party sellers that work through their storefront. When Newegg has cards, the prices have been pretty reasonable, although they have been climbing. I was able to get an open box RX 480 8GB from them today for $216. You just have to be very motivated to get one before they sell out.


In that case, Newegg won't sell you an Rx 480 at all right now, so it's a question of what you are willing to pay today vs. how long you are willing to wait.
4770K @ 4.7 GHz; 32GB DDR3-2133; GTX-1080; 512GB 840 Pro (2x); Fractal Define XL-R2; NZXT Kraken-X60
--Many thanks to the TR Forum for advice in getting it built.
 
Bauxite
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 717
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:10 pm
Location: electrolytic redox smelting plant

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:16 pm

Wow, for a ryzen 'red team' build I bought a higher clock 8GB with the best ram type for $180. I should get back into mining when its cold again.

Wonder how this will effect vega availability and gouge-tailer pricing, was considering a TR build with one when they are both out.
E5 1680v2 8c16t 4.5Ghz - "Yes Virginia, there were unlocked xeons"
E5 2696v4 22c44t 2.2~3.7Ghz Because Reasons™
TR 1950x 16c32t - taking my sweet time finishing up the build
 
MOSFET
Silver subscriber
Gerbil First Class
Posts: 184
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:42 am

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:22 pm

Sold and Shipped by OutletPC.com
 
BobbinThreadbare
Graphmaster Gerbil
Posts: 1194
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:47 am
Location: Champaign, IL
Contact:

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:26 pm

cynan wrote:
Last week, Newegg on Ebay had a 1080 Ti (Gigabyte non FE edition with 3 fans) for the same price. Is a 4GB Rx 480 really more efficient for mining than a 1080 Ti?

I thought GPUs had been replaced by ASICs for mining at this point. That said, I believe GCN is much better for most non-rendering related work loads.
 
chuckula
Gold subscriber
Gerbil Jedi
Topic Author
Posts: 1534
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:18 pm
Location: Probably where I don't belong.

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:29 pm

BobbinThreadbare wrote:
cynan wrote:
Last week, Newegg on Ebay had a 1080 Ti (Gigabyte non FE edition with 3 fans) for the same price. Is a 4GB Rx 480 really more efficient for mining than a 1080 Ti?

I thought GPUs had been replaced by ASICs for mining at this point. That said, I believe GCN is much better for most non-rendering related work loads.


The newer types of coins include tweaks to the algorithms that make them unsuitable for the existing ASICs... until the manufacturers build new ASICs that are suited to the new coin algorithm. It's an arms race.
4770K @ 4.7 GHz; 32GB DDR3-2133; GTX-1080; 512GB 840 Pro (2x); Fractal Define XL-R2; NZXT Kraken-X60
--Many thanks to the TR Forum for advice in getting it built.
 
whm1974
Maximum Gerbil
Posts: 4815
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:37 pm

Bauxite wrote:
Wow, for a ryzen 'red team' build I bought a higher clock 8GB with the best ram type for $180. I should get back into mining when its cold again.

Wonder how this will effect vega availability and gouge-tailer pricing, was considering a TR build with one when they are both out.

Yeah if this mining craziness continues by the time I get around to doing another build, I would still stick with Nvidia as I have been doing for the last 17 years.
 
freebird
Gerbil
Posts: 38
Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:03 pm

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:20 pm

[quote="chuckula"][quote="cynan"]Last week, Newegg on Ebay had a 1080 Ti (Gigabyte non FE edition with 3 fans) for the same price. Is a 4GB Rx 480 really more efficient for mining than a 1080 Ti?[/quote]

YES! ABSOLUTELY!!! [looks around nervously trying to act cool and prevent a run on Ngreedia's cards too][/quote]

Actually the 1080 & 1080i perform worse than the 1070, which is a decent miner of Ethereum. Read on a post that Nvidia claimed that it was due to latency of GDDR5X and the 1070s use GDDR5.
 
southrncomfortjm
Silver subscriber
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 552
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:57 pm

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:51 pm

I get the feeling I should sell my nice RX 480 and get a 1070 instead...
Gaming: i5-3570k/Z77/212 Evo/Corsair 500R/16GB 1600 CL8/RX 480 8GB/840 250gb, EVO 500gb, SG 3tb/Tachyon 650w/Win10

HTPC: i3 3225/H77/8gb g.skill 1.25v/1+2TB HDD/Asus BR/Silverstone GD05B/Antec 380w/Win10
 
derFunkenstein
Gold subscriber
Gerbil God
Posts: 23630
Joined: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:13 pm
Location: Comin' to you directly from the Mothership

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:01 pm

If you can get more than the price of a new GTX 1070 I think that's a solid option.
"And and if you start to bleed, stop wiping." -whm1974
 
DPete27
Grand Gerbil Poohbah
Posts: 3079
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:50 pm
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:03 pm

southrncomfortjm wrote:
I get the feeling I should sell my nice RX 480 and get a 1070 instead...

I was thinking the same thing. Except wait till Vega launch. Looks like RX480s are getting bid on for $400 on ebay.
Main: i5-3570K, ASRock Z77 Pro4-M, MSI RX480 8G, 500GB Crucial BX100, 2 TB Samsung EcoGreen F4, 16GB 1600MHz G.Skill @1.25V, EVGA 550-G2, Silverstone PS07B
HTPC: A8-5600K, MSI FM2-A75IA-E53, 4TB Seagate SSHD, 8GB 1866MHz G.Skill, Crosley D-25 Case Mod
 
derFunkenstein
Gold subscriber
Gerbil God
Posts: 23630
Joined: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:13 pm
Location: Comin' to you directly from the Mothership

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:20 pm

Actual Newegg, as opposed to the third parties selling there, seems to be "protecting" their big Polaris cards by making them available in bundles only. Want an RX 570? OK, but you have to buy this Ryzen 5 1600 along with it, and you can only buy one combo at a time. Even the 4GB RX 560s are starting to become scarce.

I'm rooting for the ASIC makers, personally.
"And and if you start to bleed, stop wiping." -whm1974
 
DPete27
Grand Gerbil Poohbah
Posts: 3079
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:50 pm
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:49 pm

So is the recent Bitcoin surge to blame for this? What are people buying these to mine? Bitcoin? Ethereum?
Main: i5-3570K, ASRock Z77 Pro4-M, MSI RX480 8G, 500GB Crucial BX100, 2 TB Samsung EcoGreen F4, 16GB 1600MHz G.Skill @1.25V, EVGA 550-G2, Silverstone PS07B
HTPC: A8-5600K, MSI FM2-A75IA-E53, 4TB Seagate SSHD, 8GB 1866MHz G.Skill, Crosley D-25 Case Mod
 
whm1974
Maximum Gerbil
Posts: 4815
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:55 pm

DPete27 wrote:
So is the recent Bitcoin surge to blame for this? What are people buying these to mine? Bitcoin? Ethereum?

Yep it sure is. PC World even had an article about this.
 
Krogoth
Silver subscriber
Gerbil Elder
Posts: 5350
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:20 pm
Location: somewhere on Core Prime
Contact:

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:29 pm

Tulip Mania again.

It makes no-sense to buy hardware to mine at this point. All of "easy stuff" is gone now and you will end-up making a net-loss. The worst point is that you cannot "easily" convert those crypotucurrencies over to "USD" which makes it kinda pointless for USA-types.

AMD, etailer vendors and utility companies are the only ones who are laughing to the bank.
Ivy Bridge i5-3570K@4.0Ghz, Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H, 2x4GiB of PC3-12800, Sapphire RX Vega 64, Corsair CX-600 and Fractal Refined R4 (W). Kentsfield Q6600@3Ghz, HD 4850 2x2GiB PC2-6400, Gigabyte EP45-DS4P, OCZ Modstream 700W, and PC-7B.
 
Krogoth
Silver subscriber
Gerbil Elder
Posts: 5350
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2003 3:20 pm
Location: somewhere on Core Prime
Contact:

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:31 pm

southrncomfortjm wrote:
I get the feeling I should sell my nice RX 480 and get a 1070 instead...


You can easily convert that RX 480 to a 1080 at current market prices.
Ivy Bridge i5-3570K@4.0Ghz, Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H, 2x4GiB of PC3-12800, Sapphire RX Vega 64, Corsair CX-600 and Fractal Refined R4 (W). Kentsfield Q6600@3Ghz, HD 4850 2x2GiB PC2-6400, Gigabyte EP45-DS4P, OCZ Modstream 700W, and PC-7B.
 
The Egg
Gold subscriber
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2189
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:46 pm

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:17 pm

Krogoth wrote:
southrncomfortjm wrote:
I get the feeling I should sell my nice RX 480 and get a 1070 instead...


You can easily convert that RX 480 to a 1080 at current market prices.

If you can sell something for 3x what you paid, you'd be stupid not to do it. Sell your card immediately before your miss your chance.
 
LoneWolf15
Silver subscriber
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 880
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:36 am
Location: SW Meecheegan

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:45 pm

Image
i7-4790K @4.2GHz, GIGABYTE Z97X-UD5H-BK, 32GB GSkill RipJaws PC1866
Corsair 650D, Seasonic 1Kw Platinum PSU
Crucial M4 512GB, WD Raptor 600GB, WD Black 1TB, NEC 7200 DVDRW
Gigabyte GTX 1070 Founders Ed., X-Fi Titanium, Dell 2408WFP-HC
 
Prion
Gerbil
Posts: 51
Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:08 pm
Location: United States
Contact:

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:35 am

Looks like it will be an interesting time to shop for a secondhand RX480/580 after there are ASICs availabile for Etherum, et al, I'm sure we'll see lots of very broken-in examples selling for peanuts.
 
DPete27
Grand Gerbil Poohbah
Posts: 3079
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:50 pm
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:29 am

As enticing as it was to sell my $210 RX480 for $400, I chose to enter into Ethereum mining last night. Figured I'd try it for a month and see what it's all about. Heck, according to ROI calculators, my one RX480 should net me $150/mo profit (after power bill). And at least I can still play games, whereas I obviously couldn't if I sold my GPU.
Main: i5-3570K, ASRock Z77 Pro4-M, MSI RX480 8G, 500GB Crucial BX100, 2 TB Samsung EcoGreen F4, 16GB 1600MHz G.Skill @1.25V, EVGA 550-G2, Silverstone PS07B
HTPC: A8-5600K, MSI FM2-A75IA-E53, 4TB Seagate SSHD, 8GB 1866MHz G.Skill, Crosley D-25 Case Mod
 
whm1974
Maximum Gerbil
Posts: 4815
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:38 am

Prion wrote:
Looks like it will be an interesting time to shop for a secondhand RX480/580 after there are ASICs availabile for Etherum, et al, I'm sure we'll see lots of very broken-in examples selling for peanuts.

Buy at your own risk, it would not surprise me if most of those cards died all of the sudden after a month or two of gaming.
 
southrncomfortjm
Silver subscriber
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 552
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:57 pm

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:43 am

The Egg wrote:
Krogoth wrote:
southrncomfortjm wrote:
I get the feeling I should sell my nice RX 480 and get a 1070 instead...


You can easily convert that RX 480 to a 1080 at current market prices.

If you can sell something for 3x what you paid, you'd be stupid not to do it. Sell your card immediately before your miss your chance.


Well, its up on Amazon. Solid $300 profit if it sells. Definitely looking at a 1070 upgrade, or even a 1060 6GB and save the rest for a new CPU :)
Gaming: i5-3570k/Z77/212 Evo/Corsair 500R/16GB 1600 CL8/RX 480 8GB/840 250gb, EVO 500gb, SG 3tb/Tachyon 650w/Win10

HTPC: i3 3225/H77/8gb g.skill 1.25v/1+2TB HDD/Asus BR/Silverstone GD05B/Antec 380w/Win10
 
whm1974
Maximum Gerbil
Posts: 4815
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:29 am

Re: How about an Rx 480... for $640

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:57 am

southrncomfortjm wrote:
The Egg wrote:
Krogoth wrote:

You can easily convert that RX 480 to a 1080 at current market prices.

If you can sell something for 3x what you paid, you'd be stupid not to do it. Sell your card immediately before your miss your chance.


Well, its up on Amazon. Solid $300 profit if it sells. Definitely looking at a 1070 upgrade, or even a 1060 6GB and save the rest for a new CPU :)

That would be the only way I will spend $400+ on a video card, other than getting a whole bunch of money that I would have to spend.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests