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whm1974 wrote:Damn Miners, they should be shot!!!
Captain Ned wrote:whm1974 wrote:Damn Miners, they should be shot!!!
They're just capitalists, as you would be with your mushroom ketchup and artificial meat start-up concepts.
whm1974 wrote:Miners are not even doing anything remotely useful.
Captain Ned wrote:whm1974 wrote:Miners are not even doing anything remotely useful.
They're bolstering the bottom line of electricity providers.
Captain Ned wrote:whm1974 wrote:Miners are not even doing anything remotely useful.
They're bolstering the bottom line of electricity providers.
Looking for Knowledge wrote:When drunk.....
I want to have sex, but find I am more likely to be shot down than when I am sober.
JustAnEngineer wrote:If you've got someone else paying for your electricity, it may not occur to you that it's evil to waste it.
just brew it! wrote:The current video card situation is the result of people buying up AMD GPUs to mine the latest fad cryptocurrency (Ethereum).
... you can also expect to see a lot of abused secondhand AMD GPUs dumped onto the used market once the Ethereum craze peaks.
Geonerd wrote:just brew it! wrote:The current video card situation is the result of people buying up AMD GPUs to mine the latest fad cryptocurrency (Ethereum).
... you can also expect to see a lot of abused secondhand AMD GPUs dumped onto the used market once the Ethereum craze peaks.
Serious question: Just how 'abused' are these cards? Sure they're running flat-out and, are likely getting toasty. But is the average miner also a manic overclocker? Assuming they haven't been grossly overvolted, or overheated, what's the worry?
I've always understood (and experienced first hand) thermal cycling to be the vidcard big killer. Assuming the minding scheduler can keep the cards fed, they shouldn't have too many thermal stress cycles on the pads, board, etc.
just brew it! wrote:Yup, fan wear-out is the main concern.
blahsaysblah wrote:The math is pretty bad. Six months of mining is likely equal to 3-5 years of active gaming.
24x30 is 720
5x30 is 150, or very close to 1/5. Which likely only a miniscule number could even maintain over 6 months versus a month or two.
I would not touch a used card this coming holiday season. Just a numbers game. Especially as all recent stuff has had like previous months manufacture date on them. Seems like a valid reason to deny warranty on a consumer card should something happen.
Voldenuit wrote:blahsaysblah wrote:The math is pretty bad. Six months of mining is likely equal to 3-5 years of active gaming.
24x30 is 720
5x30 is 150, or very close to 1/5. Which likely only a miniscule number could even maintain over 6 months versus a month or two.
I would not touch a used card this coming holiday season. Just a numbers game. Especially as all recent stuff has had like previous months manufacture date on them. Seems like a valid reason to deny warranty on a consumer card should something happen.
On legitreviews, they found that the best mining performance came when they set the GPU power target on a 1070 at ~75%, and the best performance/watt ratio came around a power target of ~60%.
A used mining card might be even better than a used gaming card from a heat, VRM loading perspective.
Heiwashin wrote:Captain Ned wrote:whm1974 wrote:Miners are not even doing anything remotely useful.
They're bolstering the bottom line of electricity providers.
Every miner i meet i ask about the electricity cost to profit ratio and i get a deer in headlights look. They seem to usually think it's just free easy money, but it's not free... there's cost there.
whm1974 wrote:Captain Ned wrote:whm1974 wrote:Miners are not even doing anything remotely useful.
They're bolstering the bottom line of electricity providers.
And raising the cost of electricity of everyone else.
just brew it! wrote:Voldenuit wrote:blahsaysblah wrote:The math is pretty bad. Six months of mining is likely equal to 3-5 years of active gaming.
24x30 is 720
5x30 is 150, or very close to 1/5. Which likely only a miniscule number could even maintain over 6 months versus a month or two.
I would not touch a used card this coming holiday season. Just a numbers game. Especially as all recent stuff has had like previous months manufacture date on them. Seems like a valid reason to deny warranty on a consumer card should something happen.
On legitreviews, they found that the best mining performance came when they set the GPU power target on a 1070 at ~75%, and the best performance/watt ratio came around a power target of ~60%.
A used mining card might be even better than a used gaming card from a heat, VRM loading perspective.
Interesting. But how many people pay attention to that, as opposed to just running it flat out to maximize production/day?
Also, tuning solely for performance/watt is only sensible if you would've bought the card for gaming anyway. If you bought the card specifically for mining you should also be looking at making back that investment sooner rather than later.
Voldenuit wrote:To maximize production/day, you set power target below 100%.
DPete27 wrote:I highly doubt there's enough concentration of mining going on in any given area to even cause the local utility company to notice.
southrncomfortjm wrote:How cheap did 290s get on the used market after the Bitcoin fueled surge died down?
just brew it! wrote:Voldenuit wrote:To maximize production/day, you set power target below 100%.
That's pretty counter-intuitive. How is that even possible? Does it prevent thermal throttling?