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DrDominodog51 wrote:Hmm... The guy in the link says it wasn't holding a constant 1600 MHz during the 3DMark run.
Vhalidictes wrote:AMD keeping even with NVIDIA on power/performance is really a win for us. If both companies are at parity they'll have to compete on price in the short term, and find a way to increase generational price/performance in the longer term.
Jeff Kampman wrote:Not to gloat, but you can't say I didn't warn you: http://techreport.com/blog/31924/spitba ... phics-card
Virtually every prediction I made in that post was proven correct yesterday: http://techreport.com/news/32163/update ... 999-and-up
DPete27 wrote:The closer the RX Vega gets to launch, the more I feel like it's going to be a flop. Kinda makes me feel like AMDs engineers are diverted to Ryzen and the GPU team was left barebones to hobble along for a couple years.
DPete27 wrote:The closer the RX Vega gets to launch, the more I feel like it's going to be a flop. Kinda makes me feel like AMDs engineers are diverted to Ryzen and the GPU team was left barebones to hobble along for a couple years.
chuckula wrote:DrDominodog51 wrote:Hmm... The guy in the link says it wasn't holding a constant 1600 MHz during the 3DMark run.
That could be due to a lot of factors including throttling (bad) or the fact that some sections of the benchmark are just less demanding (neutral).
DancinJack wrote:Vhalidictes wrote:AMD keeping even with NVIDIA on power/performance is really a win for us. If both companies are at parity they'll have to compete on price in the short term, and find a way to increase generational price/performance in the longer term.
I would agree with you if AMD were even close to Nvidia on efficiency but they aren't. Like I said, unless they did some amazing engineering on Vega, Pascal will still be quite a bit ahead on perf/W.
DancinJack wrote:I would not count on Vega (top o the line) using less power than 1080. That'd be pretty crazy engineering by AMD, but given the Polaris stuff, and GF process tech, including the chips we know that have been produced on it, there is very little chance they'll use less power than Nvidia at the same performance level.
stefem wrote:DancinJack wrote:I would not count on Vega (top o the line) using less power than 1080. That'd be pretty crazy engineering by AMD, but given the Polaris stuff, and GF process tech, including the chips we know that have been produced on it, there is very little chance they'll use less power than Nvidia at the same performance level.
Isn't Vega fabbed by TSMC on 16nm FinFET? We also don't have any proof that GF process are inherently less efficient than TSMC one
DancinJack wrote:stefem wrote:DancinJack wrote:I would not count on Vega (top o the line) using less power than 1080. That'd be pretty crazy engineering by AMD, but given the Polaris stuff, and GF process tech, including the chips we know that have been produced on it, there is very little chance they'll use less power than Nvidia at the same performance level.
Isn't Vega fabbed by TSMC on 16nm FinFET? We also don't have any proof that GF process are inherently less efficient than TSMC one
Not sure where you got that idea? Any link? As far as I know, AMD is using GF for all their products. Sure, we don't have any apples to apples proof, but we can draw some conclusions from products that are fabbed on those processes and how they clock/perform.
stefem wrote:DancinJack wrote:stefem wrote:Isn't Vega fabbed by TSMC on 16nm FinFET? We also don't have any proof that GF process are inherently less efficient than TSMC one
Not sure where you got that idea? Any link? As far as I know, AMD is using GF for all their products. Sure, we don't have any apples to apples proof, but we can draw some conclusions from products that are fabbed on those processes and how they clock/perform.
Well, I'm not sure, it was an old rumor, that why I asked. But what I know is that AMD paid a fee to GF to derogate from their contract and be able to go to other foundries.
Voldenuit wrote:stefem wrote:DancinJack wrote:
Not sure where you got that idea? Any link? As far as I know, AMD is using GF for all their products. Sure, we don't have any apples to apples proof, but we can draw some conclusions from products that are fabbed on those processes and how they clock/perform.
Well, I'm not sure, it was an old rumor, that why I asked. But what I know is that AMD paid a fee to GF to derogate from their contract and be able to go to other foundries.
I believe that was for CPUs and APUs.
Until Polaris (which is fabbed at GF), AMD had been manufacturing GPUs at TSMC.
AMD also has some sort of fab deal with Samsung, although I don't know if they've built anything more significant than NAND there.
DrDominodog51 wrote:Hmm... The guy in the link says it wasn't holding a constant 1600 MHz during the 3DMark run.
cynan wrote:DrDominodog51 wrote:Hmm... The guy in the link says it wasn't holding a constant 1600 MHz during the 3DMark run.
Could that have something to do with the tester using a barely adequate PSU (550W)?
Voldenuit wrote:cynan wrote:DrDominodog51 wrote:Hmm... The guy in the link says it wasn't holding a constant 1600 MHz during the 3DMark run.
Could that have something to do with the tester using a barely adequate PSU (550W)?
550W PSU with 504W available on the 12V line. Not inadequate (on paper).
cynan wrote:DrDominodog51 wrote:Hmm... The guy in the link says it wasn't holding a constant 1600 MHz during the 3DMark run.
Could that have something to do with the tester using a barely adequate PSU (550W)?