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CScottG wrote:Lordhawkwind wrote:
I've had steam for years and never once participated in their survey. It's not at all representative of overall GPU market share and by trying to portray it as so is extremely misleading to say the least. So you'd rather they were no AMD graphics competition and the next 1160 was $800 I'm sure you'd be the first in the queue to buy it. Never heard of the saying beware what you wish for in case you get it Saying all cards went to miners is absolute FUD as you can't provide one shred of evidence that your comment is true. I'm not a miner and I've got one and if you look at other forums there are a load of people who have Vega cards who are just gamers like me. So please spare us your green tinted BS unless you can back it up please.
Honestly, it's a post like this that makes me wonder where the moderators are.
Lordhawkwind wrote:Perhaps the steam survey is not completely representative of the distribution of GPU manufacturers across gamers Oh so now you're finally agreeing with me.
Lordhawkwind wrote:I'm still awaiting you or Glorious to provide me with the baseline respondents so we can actually work out what 82% market share actually is.
Lordhawkwind wrote:So just like glorious if you want me to 'go away' please provide me with the number of respondents and then I'll gladly go. If you can't then maybe you and glorious should acknowledge that the Steam survey is not at all representative of GPU market share. Let's see what you can do.
Lordhawkwind wrote:So if that's the case why aren't the moderators doing something about Cyan and Glorious as none of their claims seem to stack up. Can you provide any evidence to back up their claims? If not who's talking BS? I seem to be asking for REAL FACTS they can't seem to prove. Is it really that hard to understand?
Glorious wrote:Lordhawkwind wrote:Glorious please enlighten me how many people actually responded to the Steam survey so we can form a baseline? I can't find it anywhere TBH. From an advertising viewpoint if you publish any statistics regarding a product you have to publish the baseline respondents so people can make a reasoned decision as to whether your claim is worthwhile or not. So 82% of 10 people is not quite as good as 82% of 100,000 people. As Steam aren't pushing a product presumably they don't have to provide this evidence. Please explain to me, in plain English, exactly how they work out the percentages as I'm really interested TBH. Can you tell me the number of respondents or not. Simples. I can then work out the math.
No you can't. Because if you could, you'd "work out the math" with arbitrary numbers, but we all know you're not going to do that, because you can't.
You want to google something? Try "nonignorable nonresponse" and come back when you can explain to me how it relates to what you only think your argument is.
Lordhawkwind wrote:Jerry Maquire said SHOW ME THE NUMBER Is that really too much to ask? Explain to me what exactly Nvidia's 82% of market share really is. You've quoted the Steam survey likes it's a gamers GPU bible so please explain to me how they work out the percentages. Am I speaking in a foreign language?
Lordhawkwind wrote:
As Jerry Maquire said SHOW ME THE NUMBER Is that really too much to ask? Explain to me what exactly Nvidia's 82% of market share really is. You've quoted the Steam survey likes it's a gamers GPU bible so please explain to me how they work out the percentages. Am I speaking in a foreign language?
Glorious wrote:Lordhawkwind wrote:Perhaps the steam survey is not completely representative of the distribution of GPU manufacturers across gamers Oh so now you're finally agreeing with me.
No, he isn't. You're selectively quoting.
Go away.Lordhawkwind wrote:I'm still awaiting you or Glorious to provide me with the baseline respondents so we can actually work out what 82% market share actually is.
That's gibberish.Lordhawkwind wrote:So just like glorious if you want me to 'go away' please provide me with the number of respondents and then I'll gladly go. If you can't then maybe you and glorious should acknowledge that the Steam survey is not at all representative of GPU market share. Let's see what you can do.
Steam has over 100 million subscribers and over 10 million concurrent users at times.
The notion that Steam does not have an adequate sample size is absurdly ridiculous, and your continual insistence that since *YOU* never respond to the surveys we can therefore rely on their irrelevance is utterly unhinged solipism.
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I'm not waiting for you to do anything at this point. You're never going to make an argument, you are just going to spew statistical misconceptions of the most basic sort without providing any assertion other than this:
"All of your numbers are wrong, because I personally didn't contribute to them."
I don't like this sort of stupid fanboyism, and I *really* don't like it in someone who maliciously & falsely accuses others of it.
go away.
Lordhawkwind wrote:CScottG wrote:Lordhawkwind wrote:
I've had steam for years and never once participated in their survey. It's not at all representative of overall GPU market share and by trying to portray it as so is extremely misleading to say the least. So you'd rather they were no AMD graphics competition and the next 1160 was $800 I'm sure you'd be the first in the queue to buy it. Never heard of the saying beware what you wish for in case you get it Saying all cards went to miners is absolute FUD as you can't provide one shred of evidence that your comment is true. I'm not a miner and I've got one and if you look at other forums there are a load of people who have Vega cards who are just gamers like me. So please spare us your green tinted BS unless you can back it up please.
Honestly, it's a post like this that makes me wonder where the moderators are.
So if that's the case why aren't the moderators doing something about Cyan and Glorious as none of their claims seem to stack up. Can you provide any evidence to back up their claims? If not who's talking BS? I seem to be asking for REAL FACTS they can't seem to prove. Is it really that hard to understand?
Glorious wrote:Lordhawkwind wrote:Jerry Maquire said SHOW ME THE NUMBER Is that really too much to ask? Explain to me what exactly Nvidia's 82% of market share really is. You've quoted the Steam survey likes it's a gamers GPU bible so please explain to me how they work out the percentages. Am I speaking in a foreign language?
Explain what? I have no idea where you got this 82% number from, as far as I can tell you invented it.
What I do know is that it's not from the Steam Hardware Survey, since I've already cited their recent "PC VIDEO CARD USAGE BY MFG" numbers, and it wasn't remotely close to 82% for Nvidia.
So, if you are angrily demanding that I explain your own imagination to you while you invoke moderation upon me, yeah, that's trolling.
Go away.
Lordhawkwind wrote:I will once you tell me the number of respondents in the survey so I can work out what 82% is. Stop the BS posts and just provide THE NUMBER OF RESPONDENTS/b] Is that really too much to ask?
Lordhawkwind wrote:So they all voted did they? I don't know because Steam doesn't tell us Wow that's a really good counter argument not.
Lordhawkwind wrote:Just to show you I haven't made it up. Maybe ask Cynan where he got it from
Glorious wrote:What I do know is that it's not from the Steam Hardware Survey, since I've already cited their recent "PC VIDEO CARD USAGE BY MFG" numbers, and it wasn't remotely close to 82% for Nvidia.
Lordhawkwind wrote:well at least we know what you're really like. Does 100 -18% not represent 82%.
Lordhawkwind wrote:Strange all the other posts have been deleted isn't it.
Lordhawkwind wrote:I see you're both regular posters and I'm not so hey ho. I know what was said and I now know what to really think of this site TBH. Sad really sad but's that life.
Lordhawkwind wrote:As Jerry Maquire said SHOW ME THE NUMBER
Glorious wrote:Lordhawkwind wrote:Just to show you I haven't made it up. Maybe ask Cynan where he got it from
Uhh....
Are you are saying that you get 82% figure because cynan cited the ~18% AMD GPU number from the survey?
As I said before, I'm still completely lost, because AMD having 18% doesn't mean Nvidia has 82%, there's another company called "Intel"
Here:Glorious wrote:What I do know is that it's not from the Steam Hardware Survey, since I've already cited their recent "PC VIDEO CARD USAGE BY MFG" numbers, and it wasn't remotely close to 82% for Nvidia.
And if you are asking me where I got that number(though I didn't, *you* did), well, uh, 100-18=82, right?
Seriously, what are you even getting at?
Redocbew wrote:Lordhawkwind wrote:As Jerry Maquire said SHOW ME THE NUMBER
You are not Jerry Maguire, but you may be Tom Cruise. I could imagine that.
Lordhawkwind wrote:I had to find that quote from Cyan in my history because it had been deleted from this site. Glorious BS all you want you know what I'm talking about and TBH I don't know what to really call you as you're so beneath my contempt.
Lordhawkwind wrote:Whatever you want to believe mate. I know the score thank you.
techguy wrote:Oh would you look at that, it's a poster from Rage3d ruining a thread on a different forum. I *never* would have imagined that.
willyolioleo wrote:wow, my vega 56s from Amazon are FINALLY shipping.
and the price has jumped to over $600. holy crap. so glad i was refreshing like mad on launch day.
Kougar wrote:..The entire thing is a joke at this point.
Topinio wrote:
Kretschmer wrote:That bottom graph is completely misleading for our discussion:
1) Intel integrated graphics not used for 3D gaming is not relevant to 3D gaming developer support/optimization/etc. E.g. all those corporate PCs running Word and Excel.
2) AMD GPUs shipped to miners don't support AMD's 3D gaming support, either. If only a fraction of AMD GPUs are used for gaming, that bodes poorly for their gaming support in the future. We might see developers default to Gameworks code and call it a day.