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Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:04 pm

So earlier this year I bought a Radeon RX 480, and it managed my janky dualhead setup well enough. After getting laid off in August, I started tinkering with an open source seismic interpretation software package called OpendTect, which triggered some OpenGL bugs in the Radeon and irritated me. Realizing I could net $60 in net profit by selling it, I did so, and swapped in a spare GTX 1050 Ti as an interim solution... and then a friend gave me a 32" 1440p Asus display. That's now taken over desktop duties, and it's gorgeous, but the 1050 Ti is not really up to pushing hard at 1440p. So let me ask the convened expertise of this board: would a GTX 1070 be worth stretching my budget once I'm employed again? I'll be selling off some spare hardware to help finance that effort when the time's right, but wanted to do a quick sanity check. To remove any ambiguity:

* The system's a Ryzen 1700 running at stock clocks and voltages with 16 gigs DDR4-2400, running Windows 10 Pro x64. I'm not terribly interested in overclocking.
* I'm not a huge AAA gamer, though last year's Doom definitely counts as a vice. The rest of the time I usually play with casual games, console emulation, and scientific computing.
* 60 fps is fine with me. Pushing visual detail high enough to maximize quality at the screen's native resolution matters more to me than three digit framerates.

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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:07 pm

1080, 1070, 1070Ti or 1080Ti. Pascal Titans are overkill and overpriced for 1440p gaming.
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:07 pm

I'd either go with a GTX-1060 if you want the more economical solution or jump up to the GTX-1080 (that can be had for under $500 if you look for the right sale) simply because the 1070's still are commanding inflated prices due to mining. The GTX-1080 with GDDR5X memory (that is bad for mining) is actually a very good bang for the buck purchase right now.
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:08 pm

1080, 1070, 1070Ti or 1080Ti. Pascal Titans are overkill and overpriced for 1440p gaming.

1060 6GiB can do it if you willing to cutback on eye candy.
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:56 pm

Depends how much you want to spend. I'd go GTX 1070, personally.

On Newegg atm, it's

GTX 1060 6 GB $255 - $513
GTX 1070 8 GB $400 - $919
GTX 1080 8 GB $505 - $1100
GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB $670 - $1213
GTX 980 Ti 6 GB $799 - $888
GTX TITAN Z 12 GB $1384

(ignore the last 2!)

As you're a more casual gamer, you might also consider a GTX 1060 3 GB ( $205 - $588 ) as these seem to do okay at 2560x1440 and where they hit RAM issues the impact isn't huge ( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... review_6_3 ), at least in average FPS. Can't find any 99th percentile comparison to the 6 GB version (which has more SMs and TMUs) at 2560x1440.

Edit: if you can stretch to it, and will be able to play sniping online retailers (as I had to with my RX Vega 56 !), the GTX 1070 Ti is apparently going to be launched at $430 in 12 days time. It's GP104, cut-down less than GTX 1070 is. https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech ... TX-1070-Ti )
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:16 pm

Doom at 1440p with a 1060? I'd think you'd have to lower the eye candy quite a bit...
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:28 pm

Pville_Piper wrote:
Doom at 1440p with a 1060? I'd think you'd have to lower the eye candy quite a bit...


You might want to rethink that: http://techreport.com/review_full/30812 ... d-reviewed

2560x1440 at Ultra details. And this was at launch before a bunch of driver updates had been made.
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:32 pm

chuckula wrote:
Pville_Piper wrote:
Doom at 1440p with a 1060? I'd think you'd have to lower the eye candy quite a bit...


You might want to rethink that: http://techreport.com/review_full/30812 ... d-reviewed

2560x1440 at Ultra details. And this was at launch before a bunch of driver updates had been made.


Just found that review and I stand corrected... Never can find a review when I need one!
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:36 pm

Topinio wrote:
Depends how much you want to spend. I'd go GTX 1070, personally.
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Edit: if you can stretch to it, and will be able to play sniping online retailers (as I had to with my RX Vega 56 !), the GTX 1070 Ti is apparently going to be launched at $430 in 12 days time. It's GP104, cut-down less than GTX 1070 is. https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech ... TX-1070-Ti )


Yeah, the 1070Ti is a no-brainer at $30 more than a 1070 for very-close-to-1080 performance.
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Having said that, all these cards are overkill for the OP @ 1440p60. Time to start saving for a 120 Hz monitor! They can be had without G-Sync for under $200 these days...
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:48 pm

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Having said that, all these cards are overkill for the OP @ 1440p60. Time to start saving for a 120 Hz monitor! They can be had without G-Sync for under $200 these days...

Why stop there, 144 Hz VRR is where it's at :wink:

Srsly, the GTX 1060 isn't overkill, at least in a lot of games it'll struggle to get near 60 at that res, so then it's either $$$ GTX 1070 or try to snag a GTX 1070 Ti at launch pricing, if that's possible.
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:52 pm

1060 6GB on a budget - "High" details will get you fluid gameplay, "Ultra" may stutter slightly in a few games but you can usually dial back just one or two settings and make a big performance improvement with almost imperceptible loss of quality.

Otherwise, 1080. Miners have pushed the price of the 1070 up high enough that the 1080 is a better deal at ~$500. I'm assuming that the upcoming 1070Ti will also be price-jacked by the miners because it uses the mining-friendly regular GDDR5 instead of the 1080's GDDR5X.
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Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:57 pm

Since it's not my money, feel free to purchase that GTX 1060 for $599, you know it has to be better than that GTX 1080 for $519...
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:50 am

I've got a 60 Hz, 2560x1440 monitor, and I've been using a 1060 6 GB since the end of last year. Works very well. On the rare game, I need to dial down settings just a bit from the highest options, but nothing more than that. Definitely recommend it.
 
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:39 pm

Looking over these, I really wish the GTX 1070 was closer to its pre-Ethereum $350 MSRP, because it would be a shoo-in. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a deal, and hope for product announcements that might nudge the price lower. Thank you, everyone.
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:55 am

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Looking over these, I really wish the GTX 1070 was closer to its pre-Ethereum $350 MSRP, because it would be a shoo-in. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a deal, and hope for product announcements that might nudge the price lower. Thank you, everyone.

GTX 1070 Ti will be a mining card, people wanting it for "only" $430 will have to be ready and logged in at the on-sale time, not just on launch day, if the RX Vega launch is anything to go by.

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Otherwise, 1080. Miners have pushed the price of the 1070 up high enough that the 1080 is a better deal at ~$500. I'm assuming that the upcoming 1070Ti will also be price-jacked by the miners because it uses the mining-friendly regular GDDR5 instead of the 1080's GDDR5X.

Mining isn't stopping, so I don't see GTX 1070 dropping below $400 until it can't cut the mustard there and everyone who wants a piece of that action, including newbies, gets that message into their heads. Realistically, I suspect that means what it did for the Radeon RX 580 -- no stock at sensible prices until it's obsolete.
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:24 am

1060 6GB here. Recently moved to 1440p and at that point realized that my high OC i5-7600K wasn’t feeding the card enough at 1080p. Go figure. For me, going from 1080 to 1440 was seamless with the 1060 6GB - it’s essentially a free resolution bump. Since the CPU is about as busy as it can be anyway, might as well have the GPU do so more work in the meantime. Pascal is still pretty awesome over a year later. Doom and Quake Champions are buttery smooth.

Just started seeing the return of 1060 launch pricing at Newegg today. I think Topinio and Chrispy are entirely correct in this thread. I thought I would add my experience, similar as it is. If you find a 1070 at a decent price, yes.
 
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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:58 am

Topinio wrote:
Concupiscence wrote:
Looking over these, I really wish the GTX 1070 was closer to its pre-Ethereum $350 MSRP, because it would be a shoo-in. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a deal, and hope for product announcements that might nudge the price lower. Thank you, everyone.

GTX 1070 Ti will be a mining card, people wanting it for "only" $430 will have to be ready and logged in at the on-sale time, not just on launch day, if the RX Vega launch is anything to go by.

Chrispy_ wrote:
Otherwise, 1080. Miners have pushed the price of the 1070 up high enough that the 1080 is a better deal at ~$500. I'm assuming that the upcoming 1070Ti will also be price-jacked by the miners because it uses the mining-friendly regular GDDR5 instead of the 1080's GDDR5X.

Mining isn't stopping, so I don't see GTX 1070 dropping below $400 until it can't cut the mustard there and everyone who wants a piece of that action, including newbies, gets that message into their heads. Realistically, I suspect that means what it did for the Radeon RX 580 -- no stock at sensible prices until it's obsolete.


Looking at the benchmarks I see - depending on resolution, game, and assuming no CPU bottleneck - the 1080's about 20-25% faster than the 1070 on average, and about 25% more expensive (assuming a $400/$500 starting point for both). The economics are thus pretty close to rational, even if the prices are a bit higher than we'd all like. The 1070 still feels like a good deal, even if across the board prices have gone up around $50 thanks to miners.

Upgrading to a 1060 would put me into a position at 1440p that feels like the 1050 Ti at 1080p, where sometimes details need to be sacrificed to ensure smooth performance. And Nvidia's famous for delivering high performance out of the gate, so I don't predict an AMD-style Hail Mary down the road where the software engineers figure out how to fully use the hardware they're given. The drivers are thrumming along pretty well already. Barring some major product announcement before I find work again (and I'm not buying this thing until I have a job offer signed and in hand, at the earliest), the GTX 1070 seems like the best deal for my needs.
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:19 pm

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Doom at 1440p with a 1060? I'd think you'd have to lower the eye candy quite a bit...

Doom is unique in that it runs well on everything. My former 290X smashed Doom at 2560x1440.
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:35 pm

I had a similar decision to make several months ago. I could afford either a GTX 1080 or a GTX 1070 and a new monitor if I didn't go nuts on the price of the monitor. This was back before the miners went nuts buying up all the 1070's. I went with the 1070 and a 27" 1440 monitor. I have not regretted that decision once since I made it.

In your predicament I think I would go with the lowest cost GPU that I could find above a stock GTX 1070. Yes it might cost a little bit more than a 1060. But, its going to be more powerful and do what you want it to do for a long while after a 1060 would start struggling with any new games that get released in the future. Call it a bit of future proofing.
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:50 pm

I have a GTX 1080. I bought it at launch (well over a year ago). I can't recommend that you purchase a GTX 1080 now. Wait for the next generation of GPUs from Nvidia.
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I was fairly certain that Volta is not aimed at desktop gamers, but compute users.

The miners will lap up Volta, but don't expect massive gains in gaming performance like we had from Maxwell to Pascal.
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I have a GTX 1080. I bought it at launch (well over a year ago). I can't recommend that you purchase a GTX 1080 now. Wait for the next generation of GPUs from Nvidia.


I just looked up prices of GTX1080 and GTX1080Ti cards to replace my 970's... this is rough.

Of course, I'm on 1440p 165Hz (call it 120Hz+ for my requirements), but I'll want to hit a 32" 4k 120Hz HDR G-Sync/FreeSync panel when they come out, and I'm not sure I want to plan for another GPU upgrade.

And the GTX970s still work, so...
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:20 am

I'm screaming '980Ti!' in my head, but what the hell is wrong with your pricing over there?

I'm seeing them around the AUD$350 mark second-hand here in my usual haunts - rare for Australia to actually be leading on price, even for last-gen tech.

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I was fairly certain that Volta is not aimed at desktop gamers, but compute users.

The miners will lap up Volta, but don't expect massive gains in gaming performance like we had from Maxwell to Pascal.

Volta is the replacement for Pascal. Volta will have a range of products, as did Pascal.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:15 am

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Chrispy_ wrote:
I was fairly certain that Volta is not aimed at desktop gamers, but compute users.

The miners will lap up Volta, but don't expect massive gains in gaming performance like we had from Maxwell to Pascal.

Volta is the replacement for Pascal. Volta will have a range of products, as did Pascal.


The architecture from what so far been we seen seems to indicate a heavier focus on general compute. Nvidia wants to cash on crypto-currency craze. I expect a 10-20% bump in gaming graphics from the architecture while Nvidia crams more blocks into it customer designs in reach the 30-50% generational gain at the expense of loaded power consumption.
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End User wrote:
Chrispy_ wrote:
I was fairly certain that Volta is not aimed at desktop gamers, but compute users.

The miners will lap up Volta, but don't expect massive gains in gaming performance like we had from Maxwell to Pascal.

Volta is the replacement for Pascal. Volta will have a range of products, as did Pascal.


The architecture from what so far been we seen seems to indicate a heavier focus on general compute. Nvidia wants to cash on crypto-currency craze. I expect a 10-20% bump in gaming graphics from the architecture while Nvidia crams more blocks into it customer designs in reach the 30-50% generational gain at the expense of loaded power consumption.

We will find out sooner rather than later.
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We will find out sooner rather than later.

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Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:41 am

Nvidia is not developing a whole product to "cash in on the crypto-currency craze." Sorry, that's not what's happening. It's the same way GPUs have been moving for the past decade. More general compute. There have been bigger leaps in some generations than others, but general compute has generally gone up each successive generation.

Having said that, I do expect general compute to be more of a focus with Volta than Maxwell or Pascal. They've more or less said that.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:00 pm

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Having said that, I do expect general compute to be more of a focus with Volta than Maxwell or Pascal. They've more or less said that.


Indeed, I wasn't speculating; They've announced it publicly in livestreams and at events. Anyone expecting a similar gaming performance increase as Maxwell > Pascal is dreaming because Volta is already here and the architecture is already known. The only unknown is exactly what configuration that architecture ends up as in the gaming products.

Outside of Machine-learning situations, its performance is roughly on-par with Pascal, given the shader counts and clockspeeds. It's actually only 1.25x faster than the Tesla P100 in graphics processing tasks, but that is not likely to be because Volta is inferior to Pascal for graphics - it's more likely to be that there aren't 50% more texture units or 50% more memory bandwidth than the Pascal version.

With respect to gaming, I would expect Volta to be little more than a shift to TSMC's 12nm process. Expect eventual reduced manufacturing costs for Nvidia. Whether they pass those on to the consumer is another matter. It's possible that the shader count will increase slightly as Volta's shader count is 50% higher than the Pascal equivalent Tesla, but the die area only grew by 33%. In saying that, shader units don't make up the entirety of the GPU, so the shift to Volta's 12nm process actually only allows single-digit-percentage improvements over Pascal.

I'd like to be wrong, I'd like to see Nvidia pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat and produce a huge improvement over Pascal, but there is an overwhelming amount of evidence from existing Volta products that show it's not going to happen:

      12nm is a known quantity in terms of clocks and power usage.
        Volta Architecture is a known quantity in terms of where the changes to Pascal lie.
          Volta's transistor density is a known quantity.

        Add those things together and the big reveal of Volta gaming GPUs isn't really going to reveal much. Performance/$ is going to remain unchanged, power usage is going to remain unchanged, Clocks are going to remain roughly the same, and shader count may increase by about 10% but at extra cost to Nvidia (which they will pass on to the consumer).
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        Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

        Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:54 pm

        Topinio wrote:
        End User wrote:
        We will find out sooner rather than later.

        Poor Vega.

        Everyone gave a sigh of relief when we found out Vega had GTX 1080 class performance and that was a year and a half after the GTX 1080 launched. Vega is in its own bubble.

        The big problem with Vega is the availability of the custom cooler variants. Where the heck are they? I need one for my 38UC99-W!
        Threadripper 1950X build parts have arrived - i'm procrastinating on the build :(

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