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Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:51 am

In classic Jen-Hsun style the new Titan Volta card got launched unexpectedly at NIPS.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12135/nvidia-announces-nvidia-titan-v-video-card-gv100-for-3000-dollars
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The Golden card can be yours for the generous price of 2999$(thanks AMD #poorvolta).

Once we see the performance of this chip we can guesstimate the performance of the GV104 chip which is coming in Q1'18. Needless to say, AMD is getting creamed unless they amazingly have Navi ready for 1H'18they don't
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:28 am

I really want/need the consumer version of this. :D
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:35 am

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/titan/titan-v/



https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Car ... a-GPU-HBM2

9x the performance of a Titan Xp. :o (..yeah, yeah, it's teraflops and not gaming frame rate improvements - but it's got to be at least double (for a LOT more money). Of course researchers etc. will be all over this for performance on the "cheap".)

-even when we get the cut-down versions (what.. 4+ months from now?), they are going to cream prior gen. Pascal. (..and will of course be a bit more expensive).

AMD's enthusiast market just went from modest yet viable, to non-existent. :oops:
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:07 am

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I really want/need the consumer version of this. :D


I'd take a GV102; I don't have any interest in GV100.

[and this *is* the consumer version of GV100 AFAICT...]
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:40 am

CScottG wrote:

9x the performance of a Titan Xp. :o (..yeah, yeah, it's teraflops and not gaming frame rate improvements - but it's got to be at least double (for a LOT more money).

Only 9x when you utilise the Tensor Cores- which are seriously limited in what they can do. They're basically fixed function deep learning hardware, which is going to be pretty much useless for gaming.
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:48 am

True (2 real Tflops more than the Xp). But I'm betting at least double the performance or better for enthusiasts. (..and I'm also betting that there will be plenty of enthusiasts that will purchase this.)

-of course it might not be that. :oops:
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:51 am

CScottG wrote:
True. But I'm betting at least double the performance or better for enthusiasts. (..and I'm also betting that there will be plenty of enthusiasts that will purchase this.)


Not even close. Gaming 99% uses FP32, and Titan V has 13.8 TFlops, not far ahead of Titan Xp's 12.1 TFlops.

There are improvements to the instruction scheduling, like allowing FP and INT instructions to be co-issued, but this isn't going to be some gaming monster. It's for Deep Learning, and it's damn good at it.
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:21 am

So basically a 1/3 price Tesla GV100 for the AI researcher, but no real benefit for gaming.
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:10 am

NTMBK wrote:
CScottG wrote:

9x the performance of a Titan Xp. :o (..yeah, yeah, it's teraflops and not gaming frame rate improvements - but it's got to be at least double (for a LOT more money).

Only 9x when you utilise the Tensor Cores- which are seriously limited in what they can do. They're basically fixed function deep learning hardware, which is going to be pretty much useless for gaming.


Indeed. We have no real idea of what Nvidia has been cooking up in terms of graphics rendering improvements. Comparing fixed-function hardware against previous implementations is like comparing hardware H.264 encoding (quicksync etc) to software encoders. Sure it's 10X faster but that's all it can do and the minute a new codec comes out (H.265) it's utterly useless and just wasted silicon.

Gamers getting excited about Tensor core performance metrics are like blind cave salamanders gettings excited about Ole' Musky's progress towards humans on Mars.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:15 am

Airmantharp wrote:
Waco wrote:
I really want/need the consumer version of this. :D


I'd take a GV102; I don't have any interest in GV100.

[and this *is* the consumer version of GV100 AFAICT...]

That's what I meant. I have no interest in the compute capabilities.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:17 pm

Stupid naïve question of the day: could NVIDIA add (AI) functionality into GameWorks which made use of the Tensor Cores on the back end?

Not that I'm expecting it, but the block diagrams put the tensor cores within each of the 4 sub-cores in a Volta SM. Either the SM itself will be different on non-V100 chips, or this hardware will be there and could be utilised.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:17 pm

Titan V?

Isn't that what launched the Phoenix?
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:30 pm

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Titan V?

Isn't that what launched the Phoenix?

Heh, nice one. I was calling it the Titan Five all morning, until I twigged it's V as in vee-for-Volta... (This is of course stupid of me, it's the 8th Titan board and the 4th generation Titan, but one can kinda squint at it and get to 5 before the coffee starts working.)
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:04 pm

Topinio wrote:
Stupid naïve question of the day: could NVIDIA add (AI) functionality into GameWorks which made use of the Tensor Cores on the back end?

Not that I'm expecting it, but the block diagrams put the tensor cores within each of the 4 sub-cores in a Volta SM. Either the SM itself will be different on non-V100 chips, or this hardware will be there and could be utilised.


Technically, sure they could. I'm not really sure what they would use it for in Gameworks though at this point. Hopefully they can find some way to utilize it to improve, say, NPC AI or something along those lines.

https://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelfor ... es-cuda-9/ (just linking this to show what kind of math the Tensor cores really do)
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:02 pm

NTMBK wrote:
CScottG wrote:
True. But I'm betting at least double the performance or better for enthusiasts. (..and I'm also betting that there will be plenty of enthusiasts that will purchase this.)


Not even close. Gaming 99% uses FP32, and Titan V has 13.8 TFlops, not far ahead of Titan Xp's 12.1 TFlops.

There are improvements to the instruction scheduling, like allowing FP and INT instructions to be co-issued, but this isn't going to be some gaming monster. It's for Deep Learning, and it's damn good at it.


I just wanted to stress this point. 110 Tensor tflops DOES NOT EQUAL gaming tflops. Using Volta for gaming would probably put it on par with Vega because it just isn't optimized for gaming workloads. Now from what I can tell, it has the possibility of being very well optimized for gaming trim. The gaming version should be interesting, albeit an evolutionary rather than revolutionary performance improvement over Pascal.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:40 pm

wingless wrote:
I just wanted to stress this point. 110 Tensor tflops DOES NOT EQUAL gaming tflops. Using Volta for gaming would probably put it on par with Vega because it just isn't optimized for gaming workloads. Now from what I can tell, it has the possibility of being very well optimized for gaming trim. The gaming version should be interesting, albeit an evolutionary rather than revolutionary performance improvement over Pascal.

WT?? "Using Volta for gaming would probably put it on par with Vega because it just isn't optimized for gaming workloads" ?

V100 in the Titan V is almost twice GP104 in the GTX 1080; this latter is about 10% better than Vega 10 in the RX Vega 64 on 99th percentile, and a bit less but still better on average FPS.

Even if you don't call this the gaming version and are waiting on V102, that will dominate Vega because GP102 and arguably GP104 already did, and NVIDIA is not stupid or cash-strapped or running on a skeleton team.

Whatever you're smoking, can I have some? :wink:

Edit to add an amusing headline description from Benchmark.rs, nuklearna bomba od 12nm (which should hopefully be obvious to non-speakers of Serbo-Croatian / Serbian [ignore one as fits linguistic beliefs please without comment!] )
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:03 pm

Its only ~0.2 buttcoins (give or take a fart) so why not? Yolo!

People saying it will suck for gaming on forums across the land right now are hilarious (might even say salty) as the core graphics units that every game knows and loves are all more numerous than full fat pascal like the titan xp, literally no debate to be had there. Actual performance is going to rise even without considering any architecture improvements at all.

Affordability is irrelevant for a halo/image/hybrid-dev card like this. A slightly cut-down 1180ti or whatever (GDDR5X? 6? 8/12GB HBM2? who knows!) in another quarter or two is going to perform about the same, maybe a little better if that gives it more clock headroom. I really wonder if they still do a GV104 first like 980/1080 or go all out and GV102 at the same time?
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:09 pm

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I really wonder if they still do a GV104 first like 980/1080 or go all out and GV102 at the same time?

Probably depends on how good GV104 would be, if it beats GP102 then it is the 1180 and GV102 is the 1180 Ti, I guess.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:16 pm

Bauxite wrote:
I really wonder if they still do a GV104 first like 980/1080 or go all out and GV102 at the same time?


My guess is GV104 first. Assuming the usual improvements between generations a full fat GV104 should be 10% - 20% faster than a 1080TI, which would be plenty to stay on top of the gaming performance charts.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:09 pm

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Titan V?

Isn't that what launched the Phoenix?

Finally! Someone else noticed. Although it seems you may be talking about the Delta II rockets? Titan family went to IV, but there was a Saturn V.
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:19 pm

K-L-Waster wrote:
Bauxite wrote:
I really wonder if they still do a GV104 first like 980/1080 or go all out and GV102 at the same time?


My guess is GV104 first. Assuming the usual improvements between generations a full fat GV104 should be 10% - 20% faster than a 1080TI, which would be plenty to stay on top of the gaming performance charts.



..the price-performance under that condition is incredibly poor.

The pascal Titan X vs the 980Ti was almost double the performance into higher resolutions. Price difference was about 3x.

If they want to sell it to enthusiasts willing to pay that kind of premium - it will need to be a similar or better performing result. (..this isn't to say that it actually will be, but rather to achieve good gamer sales from a hideously priced card - then that's what's likely required.)
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

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Finally! Someone else noticed. Although it seems you may be talking about the Delta II rockets? Titan family went to IV, but there was a Saturn V.

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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:38 am

CScottG wrote:
K-L-Waster wrote:
Bauxite wrote:
I really wonder if they still do a GV104 first like 980/1080 or go all out and GV102 at the same time?


My guess is GV104 first. Assuming the usual improvements between generations a full fat GV104 should be 10% - 20% faster than a 1080TI, which would be plenty to stay on top of the gaming performance charts.



..the price-performance under that condition is incredibly poor.

The pascal Titan X vs the 980Ti was almost double the performance into higher resolutions. Price difference was about 3x.


True about the Titan vs. the previous gen TI -- although TBH I was actually referring to performance of the 1080 vs 980TI and extrapolating to the anticipated difference between the 1180 and the 1080TI (hence my use of GV104 as opposed to GV100).
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:44 am

First wave of benchmarks are in.

Superposition (1080P Extreme)
https://benchmark.unigine.com/leaderboa ... gpu/page-1

Fire Strike Ultra
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23867564

Fire Strike Extreme
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23867657

Time Spy
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23869485

Roughly 70% ahead of Vega, only 18% ahead of 1080 Ti. Either way, nVIDIA is a full generation ahead at least until Navi in 2019. Now it's clear why Raja quit...
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:11 pm

More.

222% the performance of the top AMD card, the RX Vega 64, at Superposition (254% of the Vega 56), this is unheard-of dominance and justifies both its £2,700 price tag and Raja Koduri not coming back to work at AMD.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:53 am

It doesn't enjoy nearly the same level of dominance in 3DMark as it does in Superposition, however. Not that it makes AMD any more competitive in the >700 dollar GPU market.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:26 pm

They are entire swaths of professionals in many industries who can't get enough of these $3000 cards because they are an absolute steal for what they can do.

Not that it will stop dumb commentators about how their $250 290X has better Doom FPS/$ and hash rate/$.
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:33 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03toTq8vDYw

-so then, when the games are functioning well on an average FPS-basis at 4k and NOT CPU-bound, it looks like on an over-clocked basis it's about a 50% improvement over the 1080ti.

The drivers are however "spotty" at best when it comes to game titles and low frame rate drops, particularly when overclocking.

-it's certainly not a comparable value to the latter pascal Titan X vs the 980Ti, basically about HALF the performance "bump" than the transition between those cards. This makes it an incredibly poor value even with optimized drivers (for any given game). Though to be fair, the (pascal) Titan X is "billed" as a Geforce card (gaming card), and the Titan V is NOT.

Hopefully the 1080 replacement/Volta version is at LEAST as good as this for gaming, but with properly functioning drivers for about $699 retail. (..and I'm hoping that its later Ti version sees a similar improvement from that of the 1080 to 1080Ti.)
 
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Re: Nvidia Titan V

Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:02 pm

tsk wrote:
https://youtu.be/EsAid14T9bg


For those that prefer the static page version https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/316 ... b-bare-gpu

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