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Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:33 pm

The prices and availability of Nvidia on Newegg is total crap... It seems like the best value is the AORUS GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming Box for $599...
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:49 pm

If Nvidia is bad, then don't look at AMD. My $420 vega 56s can ebay for ~$800 now.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:53 pm

Crypto prices has caused everything remotely capable of mining to be sold out or jacked up... Vegas are selling for $1000-$1500 on Amazon. B&H or Superbiiz.com had a 1070 listed for a decent price with 3-5 day wait I think just the other day. Unless Ethereum price drops back under $500-600 (currently $1200) things will stay sold out for awhile. Don't know if new parts are planned by Nvidia or AMD in the 1H of 2018. Things have been pretty mum on that. Even used older cards are going for higher than usual pricing on eBay, especially the good mining cards like R9 290/390s.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:24 pm

Not good prices, but better than $600:

$455 Gigabyte GTX 1070 8GB
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 6814125875

$410 XFX RX 580 8GB
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-amd-ra ... /6092641.p
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:30 pm

I thought about buying a 1080 Ti this week for 4k gaming. I checked prices @ MicroCenter, Newegg, and Amazon over the past few days. MicroCenter was straight up OUT of gaming graphics cards above GTX 1050 (now they have a few 1060 in stock), Newegg and Amazon didn't have any available for less than $1000. I was half-tempted to buy a Titan Xp but don't feel like spending $1200 + tax and shipping, especially since I already did that when the first Pascal Titan X was released in 2016. Not doing that again.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:32 pm

meerkt wrote:
Not good prices, but better than $600...


Well if they were in stock, they aren't any more... but right now anything under $500 is great for a 1070(or TI version)... I should've bought a couple of 1070TI when they came out I guess...
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:56 pm

Almost makes you wonder if investing in GPUs is more lucrative than investing in cryptocurrencies. :wink:
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:03 pm

I was thinking about posting this same forum thread this morning.

Something happened recently because prices at/around Black Friday were approaching pre-Ethereum prices. Actually, just in the last couple weeks I've noticed a SIGNIFICANT stock shortage.

I'm keeping an eye out for GTX1060s for a neighbor's build and in just the past week, prices have gone up 25% or more.
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:19 pm

Is it unethical that I'm secretly hoping for all these cryptocurrencies to crash and burn? In addition to seriously messing with my jive (I'd be running a Vega56 and Samsung 32" Freesync right now, instead I have a 970 and 24" TN G-Sync), it seems the only thing they're good for is wasting enormous amounts of electricity and helping to launder money.

Also, why are some of these currencies coded in such a way so as to deliberately discourage the use of ASICs? Why do they care about the exact mechanism in which they're mined?
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:23 pm

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Is it unethical that I'm secretly hoping for all these cryptocurrencies to crash and burn?
Solution: Buy crypto, profit, buy overpriced graphics card. :)

why are some of these currencies coded in such a way so as to deliberately discourage the use of ASICs?
To help with decentralization/democratization of mining.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:27 pm

meerkt wrote:
The Egg wrote:
why are some of these currencies coded in such a way so as to deliberately discourage the use of ASICs?
To help with decentralization/democratization of mining.

When $400 cards are going for over $1000, how is it any better than ASICs in that regard?
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:34 pm

That's the theory anyway.

More people have GPUs because they have other uses as well.
I think there's price hiking going on also in dedicated mining machines.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:40 pm

The Egg wrote:
meerkt wrote:
The Egg wrote:
why are some of these currencies coded in such a way so as to deliberately discourage the use of ASICs?
To help with decentralization/democratization of mining.

When $400 cards are going for over $1000, how is it any better than ASICs in that regard?


Because an ASIC would be disproportionately faster than a video card while having a much severely part constrained ASIC. The key thing is that anyone who wanted to get into an ASIC-resistant cryptocurrency can do with readily available hardware through out its life time. Case in point is that unless you have an ASIC farm, it is pretty much worthless to attempt to mine for Bitcoin nowadays. Thus the pricing will periodically spike before returning to sane levels.

The price inflation on graphics cards stems from many people attempting to get into the currency shortly after its release as it is the easier to built up a reserve to sell later in its life time. The early bird catches the worm.
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:26 pm

techguy wrote:
I thought about buying a 1080 Ti this week for 4k gaming. I checked prices @ MicroCenter, Newegg, and Amazon over the past few days. MicroCenter was straight up OUT of gaming graphics cards above GTX 1050 (now they have a few 1060 in stock), Newegg and Amazon didn't have any available for less than $1000. I was half-tempted to buy a Titan Xp but don't feel like spending $1200 + tax and shipping, especially since I already did that when the first Pascal Titan X was released in 2016. Not doing that again.


What the flipping hell. Newegg is out of official 1080 Ti cards, only 3rd parties are selling any there and those start at $1200 on up. EVGA's own store is completely sold out of any and all kinds of 1080 Ti cards. Even at the worst of the crypto craze the 1080 Ti cards weren't affected so why now?
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:49 pm

Before the holidays, prices were starting to come down for mid-range cards too.

Well, I guess the good news is that I don't need to worry about options now. Going to steal my wife's R9 290 and crossfire it with my RX 390, that should get me another year or so.

(Outside of the insane power costs, Hawaii sure has held up pretty well, eh?)
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:53 pm

Maybe after a year and a half of retail Pascal (about the longest run I can think of in modern GPU times), it's time to dry up the stock and move on?
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:33 pm

What ever happened to those Radeon packs? I'd almost buy one of those at this point.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:56 pm

Kougar wrote:
What the flipping hell. Newegg is out of official 1080 Ti cards, only 3rd parties are selling any there and those start at $1200 on up. EVGA's own store is completely sold out of any and all kinds of 1080 Ti cards. Even at the worst of the crypto craze the 1080 Ti cards weren't affected so why now?


When GTX 1060 6gb cards are going for $600 and GTX 1070 cards are going for $700, suddenly, the GTX1080ti cards start looking like they are bargain!
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:04 pm

I think the Radeon packs were mostly DOA, weren't they? I never really looked, but I can't remember seeing them around much.

I'm just resigned to the fact now that buying my next GPU is going to suck. Hopefully that won't be happening for a while yet.
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:08 pm

Redocbew wrote:
I'm just resigned to the fact now that buying my next GPU is going to suck. Hopefully that won't be happening for a while yet.

Maybe if we all join hands and whistle the theme song to Bubble Bobble, it’ll help the cryptobubble pop faster.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:35 pm

Pville_Piper wrote:
Kougar wrote:
What the flipping hell. Newegg is out of official 1080 Ti cards, only 3rd parties are selling any there and those start at $1200 on up. EVGA's own store is completely sold out of any and all kinds of 1080 Ti cards. Even at the worst of the crypto craze the 1080 Ti cards weren't affected so why now?


When GTX 1060 6gb cards are going for $600 and GTX 1070 cards are going for $700, suddenly, the GTX1080ti cards start looking like they are bargain!


Must be, jeez. Cheapest 1080 Ti on Amazon is now $950. :roll:

I can understand demand surges, but why can't GPU companies seem to catch up to the demand? Are they refusing to increase production of GPUs so people are forced to buy higher, more profitable models? The mining craze has been protracted for over a year, I would be very curious to know why AMD and NVIDIA apparently aren't increasing production to meet the demand by now.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:50 pm

..Nvidia should be at the start of moving production to a new processor (Volta and its many "flavors"). Well, AMD *should* be doing that as well..

Which leaves partners with their current dwindling stock.

(..at least that's my guess.) :oops:
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:55 pm

Oh, look at this one:

https://www.ebay.com/i/322908722600?chn=ps


-damn decent of "him" to offer it with free shipping. :o
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:13 pm

Any Vega passing ~$700-750 boggles the mind, as that is the usual price for typically-in-stock Vega FE on newegg for at least a month now. It is just as good a miner as any other reference vega 64 with better resale value and other potential uses.
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:16 pm

Vhalidictes wrote:
Before the holidays, prices were starting to come down for mid-range cards too.

Well, I guess the good news is that I don't need to worry about options now. Going to steal my wife's R9 290 and crossfire it with my RX 390, that should get me another year or so.

(Outside of the insane power costs, Hawaii sure has held up pretty well, eh?)


Insane Power requirements or not, I was still Crossfiring 2 290s until June of 2017 and they worked very well, but now I have 2 RX Vega 56s and they all are mining when not being played on...
btw, at the current insane level of Ethereum, you should mine with them when not gaming. They'll earn you enough for a new card in a couple of months; with the current Ethereum price you can earn over $100/month on each card and until that changes GPUs aren 't going to be priced reasonably unless volume increases. I have no doubt a bubble will burst at some point, but I don't really care because it paid for all my GPUs.
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:21 pm

CScottG wrote:
Oh, look at this one:

https://www.ebay.com/i/322908722600?chn=ps


-damn decent of "him" to offer it with free shipping. :o


You forgot to mention the current "BUY 3, GET 1 AT 5% OFF" promotion
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:53 pm

Wait until the crypto-currency market undergoes its long overdue "correction" not just the minor "hic-ups" of 2017 you mind.

I also suspect once customer-tier Volta hits the market. There will be a massive influx of used GCN hardware since Volta is most likely going to be better at mining then GCN.
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:04 pm

ColeLT1 wrote:
If Nvidia is bad, then don't look at AMD. My $420 vega 56s can ebay for ~$800 now.


I know right? I'm seriously tempted to put my £430 (inc tax) Vega56 back on ebay to fund a 1080 and a second ski trip this winter. £750-850 simply because they're still desirable to the miners and supply is practically nil at the moment! From what I understand, the HBCC Cache is magic for mining and it's 50-100% faster than a 1070 for the same power draw.

A friend of mine ordered parts for a new PC on my recommendations last week and I found him a decent 1070Ti for £415. The miners seem to be avoiding the 1070Ti for some driver reason, perhaps Nvidia sabotaged it to give gamers a cardo and put more of their graphics cards in the hands of vocal gaming enthusiasts than AMD, who have practically vanished from the market. I can't even find a decent AMD gaming card for less than £300, whilst Nvidia's 3GB 1060 covers most people's needs in a readily-available £175+ package that the miners don't care about.
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:17 pm

Krogoth wrote:
Wait until the crypto-currency market undergoes its long overdue "correction" not just the minor "hic-ups" of 2017 you mind.


People have been saying this for 9 years. But I think you are betting against human nature.

People are greedy, and as long as there is potential profit there will be interest. Too many people are invested in it, and even after the bubble inevitably bursts cypto mining won't magically go away. Even if one cyptocoin imploded there are plenty more, and will always be more after them.

Case in point: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york ... ity-2018-1
 
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Re: Video card prices

Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:25 pm

Should I be mining eth with my 7950 so I can but a better card?
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