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ColeLT1 wrote:

If Nvidia is bad, then don't look at AMD. My $420 vega 56s can ebay for ~$800 now.

Holy smokes. I can't find any Vegas on Amazon/Newegg. I bought a Vega 64 from Newegg.ca back on November 23. Thank goodness I did.

Buying high end graphic cards is nutty right now. At this rate I'll be using my r9 fury for a really long time.

Kougar wrote:

the wrote:

Speaking of on-package and GPU solutions, I wonder if the mining craze will start absorbing Kaby Lake-G systems for mining. Clocks and ALU count are both down compared to Vega 64 but the HBM is still there which helps mining.

I'm sure some people will try it on their laptops when not using them an probably cook the motherboard in the process. I've yet to see any laptops with KLG chips that had a robust cooling system for sustained loads.

There are a couple of NUC solutions using Kaby Lake-G. Some of those feature overclocking capabilities so I'm sure some one will crack open the chassis and figure out how far it could be pushed for mining.

AMD might as well stop selling consumer discrete cards and use all the Polaris/Vegas chips for themselves to mine with. It would be more profitable that way.

End User wrote:

ColeLT1 wrote:

If Nvidia is bad, then don't look at AMD. My $420 vega 56s can ebay for ~$800 now.

Holy smokes. I can't find any Vegas on Amazon/Newegg. I bought a Vega 64 from Newegg.ca back on November 23. Thank goodness I did.

Great isn't it? The ancient R9 380 cards are selling for $250 a pop again on eBay right now 390X cards are selling for $400, with sporadic models going for $450 I kid you not. Not bad for a three year old GPU that itself was a rebadge of a five year old card.

I should invent some CUDA coins so I can make my GTX 480 worth something again.

I'm not quite in need of replacing my old desktop right now (i7-3770, 16GB, Win7) but my Radeon HD 7950 is starting to die. I can no longer do sleep mode because the card won't come back out of it (have to reboot) and now it's starting to artifact on occasion and have driver failures. It's dying at the worst possible time it seems.

Any suggestions for replacement on an older computer? I haven't been keeping up with the details as much as I used to. I'd like to keep Windows 7 though I did the Win10 free update and re-imaged back so I'd have that option if ever needed. I'd like it to do primarily 1080p gaming and be at least as fast as the 7950 is. I play mostly older games but recently picked up Rise of the Tomb Raider & Doom (2016) from the winter Steam sale, both of which would easily be more demanding than what I usually play.

With the prices the way are I can't get the current best bang for the buck card like I'd usually do. I'd like a GTX 1060 or RX 570 but the costs are insane. I'd settle for a lesser card at a reasonable price if one exists.

I'm gonna do a special voodoo shaman dance under the New Moon on tuesday night, calling for the horrific crash of all cryptocurrencies.

For those needing a decent card for actual gaming, I would go to Evga's B-stock page and set it to notify you for all of the decent cards. Most are still going for halfway reasonable prices on there, so I'd grab whatever comes in right away. I've been using a B-stock 970 since 07/2015 with no issues whatsoever. I got it for almost $100 under retail at the time, and wouldn't hesitate to buy a B-stock again.

I have been looking at 1050ti and rx560 cards and I can't believe how much prices keep shooting up on a daily basis. I mean in the period of 1 day how much it fluctuates upwards.

Newegg literally has NO gaming graphics cards in stock:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductL ... rder=PRICE

JustAnEngineer wrote:

Newegg literally has NO gaming graphics cards in stock:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductL ... rder=PRICE

Wow! I have never seen that before and I've been building PCs for 30 years.

It isn't just NewEgg that is out of stock. My local Micro Center only has three GTX 1050, a couple Radeon 7750 with six mini DP outputs and a few Quadro NVS cards. Next to nothing and they don't know when new stock is coming in.

I'm watching Amazon.ca for a 1070 Ti to get back in stock... they want 629 $CDN, which is reasonable.. they say 1-2 months wait lol

the wrote:

It isn't just NewEgg that is out of stock. My local Micro Center only has three GTX 1050, a couple Radeon 7750 with six mini DP outputs and a few Quadro NVS cards. Next to nothing and they don't know when new stock is coming in.

Yep, Best Buy's and Fry's aren't any better either. The nearest Fry's is an hour away from here, they won't get new stock on 1080's until the 29th.

If anyone needs a GPU best bet is to find a local PC shop that doesn't have a website. Or maybe a pawn shop, honestly.

Kougar wrote:

the wrote:

It isn't just NewEgg that is out of stock. My local Micro Center only has three GTX 1050, a couple Radeon 7750 with six mini DP outputs and a few Quadro NVS cards. Next to nothing and they don't know when new stock is coming in.

Yep, Best Buy's and Fry's aren't any better either. The nearest Fry's is an hour away from here, they won't get new stock on 1080's until the 29th.

If anyone needs a GPU best bet is to find a local PC shop that doesn't have a website. Or maybe a pawn shop, honestly.

I did that this morning, waiting on answer from local computer shop chain.. maybe i get lucky.

meerkt wrote:

The Egg wrote:

why are some of these currencies coded in such a way so as to deliberately discourage the use of ASICs?

To help with decentralization/democratization of mining.

That was the hope. Obviously it doesn't work. I hope that the people who invent those cryptocurrencies realise this and stop with this stupid mining idea.

1080 Ti's on Newegg now start at $1,500. Vanilla 1080's are $1,140

At these prices I am going to laugh if the Star Wars themed Titan XP's sell out. It is already profitable to buy them from NVIDIA and flip them on ebay. Used 1080 Ti cards sell for the same rate on ebay as the Star Wars Titan XPs direct from NVIDIA.

ET3D wrote:

That was the hope. Obviously it doesn't work. I hope that the people who invent those cryptocurrencies realise this and stop with this stupid mining idea.

What people need to realize is that the same economics behind penny stocks plays into crypto currencies. Except making a cryptocurrency is a lot easier and more profitable than creating a penny stock. Those underlying economics are never going to go away even if crypto mining pops.

Local shop emailed me back.. 1070Ti in stock... for 919 $cdn lol

Kougar wrote:

the wrote:

Speaking of on-package and GPU solutions, I wonder if the mining craze will start absorbing Kaby Lake-G systems for mining. Clocks and ALU count are both down compared to Vega 64 but the HBM is still there which helps mining.

I'm sure some people will try it on their laptops when not using them an probably cook the motherboard in the process. I've yet to see any laptops with KLG chips that had a robust cooling system for sustained loads.

That's a good point, but I'm not sure that mining-virus writers will care.

Kougar wrote:

the wrote:

It isn't just NewEgg that is out of stock. My local Micro Center only has three GTX 1050, a couple Radeon 7750 with six mini DP outputs and a few Quadro NVS cards. Next to nothing and they don't know when new stock is coming in.

Yep, Best Buy's and Fry's aren't any better either. The nearest Fry's is an hour away from here, they won't get new stock on 1080's until the 29th.

If anyone needs a GPU best bet is to find a local PC shop that doesn't have a website. Or maybe a pawn shop, honestly.

At this point it might make sense to buy a lower-end "gaming PC" from a large-box vendor and rip out the card(s).

just brew it! wrote:

Almost makes you wonder if investing in GPUs is more lucrative than investing in cryptocurrencies.

Don't know about higher potential returns, but it's probably the more secure investment.

Glorious wrote:

I also don't know where "last year zero availability" for "Nvidia GDDR5" comes from. I just told you, [b]I almost bought one at $450 a month ago.

I don't know how you missed the entirety of 2017. But you must have slept since June?

The Etherium boom was pushing prices of Nvidia AND AMD GDDR5 cards through the roof through for the vast majority of 2017. That includes the GTX 1060 6GB ($350-400 when you could find them), and the GTX 1070 ($450-600 when you could find them).

The major sites only started picking up the story after a couple months of availability issues, but the the GTX 1070 was out-of-stock since April.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/79 ... -shortage/

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion ... 0-shortage

The shortage on the GTX 1070s meant they moved to the 1060s.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id- ... rtage.html

That shortage continued until the release of the GTX 1070 Ti in mid-November (the time you are thinking of). For a couple weeks, the mining world looked like it had been sated, and you could get GTX 1070 Tis for MSRP! But then shi* happened, and suddenly we're back to the same old product rush.

I used to think the "mining demand causing shortages" was just made up, back when it was only AMD cards. But mining demand has shown itself to be serious, by overwhelming demand of both companies for over 6 months this year.

It may eventually be sated, but it's proven that time is not here yet. You can't buy an AMD card at MSRP to save your life, and the 1070s and up have just skyrocketed again.

And it's hard to predict the boom/bust cycle because UNLIKE REAL ORE MINERS, crypto miners can move onto whatever they want to when their favorite currency goes belly-up. A properly-designed currency (like Etherium) that works on more cards give buyers an excuse to invest even more than they already own. THERE IS NO DOWNTIME SWITCHING FROM ONE CURRENCY TO THE NEXT.

Vhalidictes wrote:

Kougar wrote:

the wrote:

It isn't just NewEgg that is out of stock. My local Micro Center only has three GTX 1050, a couple Radeon 7750 with six mini DP outputs and a few Quadro NVS cards. Next to nothing and they don't know when new stock is coming in.

Yep, Best Buy's and Fry's aren't any better either. The nearest Fry's is an hour away from here, they won't get new stock on 1080's until the 29th.

If anyone needs a GPU best bet is to find a local PC shop that doesn't have a website. Or maybe a pawn shop, honestly.

At this point it might make sense to buy a lower-end "gaming PC" from a large-box vendor and rip out the card(s).

The awful thing is, you can rest assured the idea's already occurred to miners. They can rip out the card, sell the box at a nominal loss, and still make the money back mining - it'll just take another week or two to make up the difference. Unless GPU manufacturers scale up production - expensive and risky on their end - or the cryptocurrency market crashes outright, this is going to be a holding pattern.

defaultuser wrote:

I don't know how you missed the entirety of 2017. But you must have slept since June?

Glorious wrote:

I just told you, I almost bought one at $450 a month ago.

https://techreport.com/news/32710/rx-vega-prices-inch-downward-in-our-latest-graphics-card-spot-check
https://techreport.com/news/32710/rx-ve ... spot-check
https://techreport.com/news/32710/rx-ve ... spot-check

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There. I'm pretty sure *you* can't miss it now.

defaultuser wrote:

The Etherium boom was pushing prices of Nvidia AND AMD GDDR5 cars through the roof through for the vast majority of 2017. That includes the GTX 1060 6GB ($350-400 when you could find them), and the GTX 1070 ($450-600 when you could find them).

Seeing as how they are 900 USD now, no, that wasn't the roof. It's also a complete contradiction of "last year zero availability", I mean, hyperbole is one thing, but not when expressed in such (completely erroneously) solid terms.

The entire point of this thread is that what is happening now, in just this past week or two, is markedly worse than anything we've seen before. Thus all your efforts to prance about and prevaricate about how this isn't really all that different are not just wrong in all strictness, but wrong in spirit.

And, btw, it's actually "Ethereum." Normally no big deal, but if you are going to swagger on the pretense of your keen analytic skills you might want to avoid such embarrassing shibboleths.

The country where I live has usually been pretty impervious to price hikes due to bitcoin mining, which makes it all the more strange that graphics card prices have almost doubled compared to the last time I checked. To give you an idea, 1070 Tis are going for the equivalent of $1000 and RX 580s are around $560.
Which coin is it now?! Why doesn't this new craze just die down like the last two (or three)?

Pretty soon people will start porting mining apps to Xbox One X, onto which you can side-load apps pretty easily.

Newegg moments ago got one 1080 Ti in stock for $950, it comes with a free $150 Z370 motherboard.

Even without the motherboard it can be flipped for money, so I don't expect this to last long.

That's pretty smart of Gigabyte. People will gladly pay the price for the 1080 ti and Gigabyte sells two products at once.

Convert wrote:

That's pretty smart of Gigabyte. People will gladly pay the price for the 1080 ti and Gigabyte sells two products at once.

I think it's stupid honestly. The card is going to sell out even if they didn't give away the motherboard with it, the next cheapest 1080 Ti is $250 more with lower clocks. I just haven't decided if it was a promo scheduled before the latest bubble, or if nobody at GB is paying any attention to their promos given the current lack of supply situation.

Gigabyte isn't dictating the marked up prices though, are they? I'm pretty sure they just have their MSRP they follow, I'd think Newegg is making the extra money from the sales.

I don't actually know how web/retail sales work though.