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What replacement Graphics Card?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:28 pm

Hi,

One of my computers has a failed video card. What replacement Graphics card makes sense as a replacement?
Would the Econobox alternative, Gigabyte GeForce GT 1030, recommended in the Tech Report's Econobox Alternative make sense / work? https://techreport.com/review/33699/the-tech-report-system-guide-summer-2018-edition/2
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125973&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=11877032&PID=1800524&SID=

Please note motherboard is PCI 2.0 not 3.0 but from what I've read that theoretical bottle neck does not affecting gaming dramatically. At least according to this article: https://www.hardwaresecrets.com/pci-express-3-0-vs-2-0-gaming-performance-gain/5/

Please also note: I have two of these systems and the one that is still working has a functional XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 with 16GB Ram - G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage Series 16GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR2
Also has a 4TB Hard Drive (Hybrid SSD)
The reason I mention this is I could put the replacement graphics card into this system and pass the working 5770 down into the system described below, so please consider this in your response.

Lastly, please keep in mind the power supply in both these systems is 500W. Thanks!

The system is as follows:
Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
ASUS P7P55D-E LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Xtreme Design w/ True USB 3.0 + SATA 6Gb/s https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P7P55DE/specifications/
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (this is the card that has failed)
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Samsung SH-S223L SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner LightScribe Support - OEM
Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply
Dell UltraSharp U2311H 23-inch IPS Monitor
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:51 pm

What do you need this PC to do? Which games are you playing now? Which new titles would you like to play?

In general, I recommend against the $90 GeForce GT1030 2GB. If you're going to spend money on a gaming graphics card, I suggest stepping up to the performance level of the $165 GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB or $110 Radeon RX 560 1024 4GB. These cards will handle most modern games.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:19 pm

Hi and thanks for the quick reply. System is used mostly for gaming.

Kids are playing Fortnite, Skyrim, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Starcraft, Minecraft, Roblox.

So my Mobo and power supply would handle either the GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB or Radeon RX 560 1024 4GB?

If I go this route, I'll be moving the working 5770 to the system with 8GB Ram and using the newly purchased graphics in the one with 16GB Ram.

Appreciate your insights.
 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:58 am

If you've been happy on the HD 5770, almost anything would do unless you want an upgrade. I second the recommendation against the GT 1030, it's not good. Same for old GT 710-730 .. but I'd suggest you stick to current generation or at most 1 back.

If you want an upgrade, your PSU can handle most options.

How long are you hoping to keep it? Your systems are 2009-era, so I'd assume Windows 7 but can you confirm (or otherwise)? What's the CPU?

IMO there'd be little point in spending a huge amount if you're going to retire the systems in 2020 or so. Probably could just get a RX 560 and be done.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:23 am

Don't worry about the PCIe version- a PCIe 3 card will work in a PCIe 2 slot, the only difference is that it will transfer data at PCIe2 speeds. Which should not be a problem for the slower cards you are comparing.

I'd recommend stepping up to a RX 560 for an extra $10: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... -_-Product (Note the mail-in rebate which brings the price down to $99.) It's about twice as fast as the 1030:

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Definitely worth the $10 bump. That card will be way faster than your old one, and should keep your kids happy for years.
 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:26 am

Radeon RX560 4GB uses about 60 watts while gaming. That requires just 5 amperes on the +12V line from your power supply.

I suggest getting the 1024 core (16 CU) Radeon RX560 4GB rather than the 896 core (14 CU) version (which is similar to the Radeon RX460 4GB). The additional cores should boost performance for very little difference in price.

The two smaller fans on the very inexpensive low-profile card from MSI that I linked above are probably noisier while gaming than the single large fan found on most full height cards, but performance should not disappoint.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:38 am

RX560 and GTX 1050 are the absolute minimum you should spend IMO.

If you aren't spending that you might as well just stick with integrated graphics because my experience with the RX550 and 1030 is that it's just fast enough to run a game but it actually isn't a very nice experience; You have to turn down a lot of eye-candy in the settings page, then you probably have to run at a lower-than-native resolution (which looks like ass) and even after doing that you're getting sub-30fps in many popular games. If not as an average FPS score, at least for lots of periods during your gaming - probably where things are busy and the framerate matters the most.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:47 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
RX560 and GTX 1050 are the absolute minimum you should spend IMO.

If you aren't spending that you might as well just stick with integrated graphics because my experience with the RX550 and 1030 is that it's just fast enough to run a game but it actually isn't a very nice experience; You have to turn down a lot of eye-candy in the settings page, then you probably have to run at a lower-than-native resolution (which looks like ass) and even after doing that you're getting sub-30fps in many popular games. If not as an average FPS score, at least for lots of periods during your gaming - probably where things are busy and the framerate matters the most.


He's on an old LGA1156 CPU- those integrated graphics are going to suuuuck.
 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:21 am

NTMBK wrote:
He's on an old LGA1156 CPU- those integrated graphics are going to suuuuck.

It might not even have any... TBF, though, the whole thing isn't going to be great at this point, whether it's an overclocked i7-875K or a Pentium or Celery, it's either Nehalem or Westmere and probably on its last legs. And Windows 7, assuming that's the OS, has 17 months left too.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:30 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
RX560 and GTX 1050 are the absolute minimum you should spend IMO.


I agree.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:33 am

Good point. If it's a Westmere CPU that's devoid of IGP then I'd probably just be grabbing a $25 used GT730 off ebay to keep the machine running until it's replaced.

OP - If you're intending to game on it, does the budget stretch to a new build?

Ryzen3 2200G bundle for $250 includes an IGP that's in the same ballpark as a disappointing GT 1030. It's not going to give you the best experience on demanding games but it'll chew through most indie and eSports titles, as well as older games without breaking a sweat. Rather than spending $100 on a GT 1030, another $150 also gets you a big CPU upgrade and all the features you're probably missing on your older board, such as support for USB 3.1, SATA-III, M.2, NVMe and other Quality-of-life perks like a UEFI graphical BIOS, isolated PCB traces for cleaner onboard audio and of course a warranty and updates/immunity to the various Spectre and Meltdown patches running amok right now.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBun ... bo.3846958

If you're after even more gaming performance, the next step up is probably an i3-8100 and GTX 1050Ti but that's around double the cost.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:45 pm

OP, are you looking to keep these machines in lockstep? (I thought you had a pair of better machines than these, were they downgraded at some point or is this just a different identical pair?)
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:24 pm

Back in 2012, I got to borrow a 5770 for a night. I could not believe the power consumption, the noise (blower), and the heat output. I had been eager to try something more powerful than my 5450, but I couldn't handle the 5770. Later that year, I got a fanless 6670 instead. GPUs have come a long way in 6 years, mainly since Maxwell, Pascal, and Polaris.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:01 pm

With a 2011 monitor I'd lean towards the AMD cards, the lack of variable refresh rate support other than G-sync is a big argument against nVidia's mid-range cards if you're likely to buy a new screen within it's lifetime.
 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:10 pm

Hi,

Lot of good discussions.

Correct, built this around 2009 / 2010 timeframe.

It's running Windows 10 and the CPU is Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor, not overclocked. No integrated graphics on this Motherboard.

Originally, I had two pairs of identical computers (2010 - built two identical / 2011 built two identical {different specs than 2010 build to be clear}). Did some HD and RAM upgrades, which is how the pair described here have some differences. Not looking to keep these in lockstep, not necessary.

Realize this is a fine line, as replacement is possibly the better alternative considering age, however, finances right now don't make that my preferred solution if sensibly avoided.

So I was hoping to get a video card that allows the computer to continue to work for as long as possible while not crossing the threshold where replacement makes more sense. If performance can be achieved cost effectively, again without violating the replacement analysis, then it may last another few years.

So I'm leaning toward the Radeon RX560 4GB 16U. Having some difficulty locating this.

Found MSI Radeon RX 560 @ $119 after rebate which I think is 16U as it says 1024 streaming processors, but this is out of stock.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137124&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Found Radeon RX 560 @$109.99 after rebate, but not sure if this is 16U, as it doesn't list the streaming processors under Specifications. I think it is, but should I opt for the $119 if it's quieter?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137308&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

I do see theRX 560 14CU @ $99.99 after rebate but if the 16U is only slightly more with better performance than I'd prefer that - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131732&cm_re=rx_560-_-14-131-732-_-Product&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=11877032&PID=1800524&SID=

Thanks again for your help and guidance!
 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:34 pm

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 6814932003
is okay, but I don't like Gigabyte. $150 shipped, $130 after rebate.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... D2C7BZ9300
Same price, better quality, crappy but slightly less hard to engage support (IME) and the rebate is with them AFAICT.

If you're price-sensitive, the first one of these two, I'd say, but you could save $6 by choosing the 14 CU one and it is still a decent upgrade:

RX 560 = 80 W => 2.41 TFLOPS (sp) 18.8 GP/s 75 GT/s ; 4 GB @ 112 GB/s
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 6814137308 $125 shipped, $15 rebate
RX 560 14CU = 80 W => 1.95 TFLOPS (sp) 17.4 GP/s 61 GT/s ; 4 GB @ 112 GB/s
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 6814131732 $124 shipped, $20 rebate

c.f.
HD 5770 = 108 W => 1.36 TFLOPS (sp) 13.6 GP/s 34 GT/s ; 1 GB @ 76.8 GB/s

If you would be thinking to look second-hand, the cards from each generation which are upgrades are the following ones (and their betters within each gen). If you can get them cheap, why not, though I would avoid the HD 6000's as they have the same issue as your HD 5000's of the Windows 10 driver being in legacy mode and no release since early 2016.

(HD 6770 = 108 W => 1.36 TFLOPS (sp) 13.6 GP/s 34 GT/s ; 1 GB @ 76.8 GB/s)
HD 7790 = 85 W => 1.79 TFLOPS (sp) 16.0 GP/s 56 GT/s ; 2 GB @ 96 GB/s
R7 260 = 95 W => 1.54 TFLOPS (sp) 16.0 GP/s 48 GT/s ; 1 GB @ 96 GB/s
R7 360 = 100 W => 1.61 TFLOPS (sp) 16.8 GP/s 50 GT/s ; 2 GB @ 104 GB/s
RX 460 = 75 W => 1.95 TFLOPS (sp) 17.4 GP/s 61 GT/s ; 4 GB @ 112 GB/s
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:41 pm

If you're going to play modern games and keep the card for a while, I don't believe that you want anything with less than 3 GiB of graphics memory.
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:53 pm

You want an MSI 7870? Works great, I upgraded awhile back and never sold it off. It hasn't even been collecting dust because it's been sitting in its antistatic bag. Would happily ship it to a gerbil's home. Name a price.
 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:22 am

 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:26 am

truearrow wrote:


Nice! That's a great choice, I hope your kids enjoy it.
 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:18 pm

truearrow wrote:

Congrats! Seems like a good deal with the $15 rebate and $10 Masterpass offer.
 
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Re: What replacement Graphics Card?

Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:58 pm

Please let us know how the installation goes. What was easier than expected? What was more difficult than expected? How noticeable is the difference in your system after the upgrade?
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