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New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:37 pm

Hello All,

I've been using a Geforce 970 for 3.5 years now and was waiting for the Nvidia 2XXX release. I bought a 2560x1440 GSync Display about 18 months ago and I know I would benefit from a new card at that resolution. I want and can get a 2080 for $750us. My struggle is that I always justified buying new video cards by comparing them to the cost of the latest consoles. An Xbox1 or PS4 with 2 controllers is $400-$450 dollars. Anyways Its probably my own fault for using this comparison. For this 20XX generation I was going to stretch the budget get a 2080 or 2080ti when they came out, whatever ~$650 dollars could get me. It was a punch to the gut when they announced prices on this generations of cards.

My real problem is that I hate the idea of buying a 2070 at $500-550 as its only a bit faster than 1080 cards that cost $450-500 before the inventories cleared out. Especially because I almost bought a 1080 right before the mining boom hit for just under $500 about 12-18 months ago.

I'm mostly just venting and will probably get the 2080 but any thoughts on the topic are appreciated
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:26 pm

There are really no good choices right now, just less bad ones. Get gouged on pricing for new tech where you're unlikely to use any of the new features of the new tech due to the massive performance hit, or spend good money on 2 year old tech.

If I were you I'd probably go for the 2080, and do my best to enjoy the huge performance leap, and pretend I'm not furious.

If it's at all possible I might try waiting and pray AMD has a response soon.

[edit] I know you have a G-sync monitor, the AMD response comes with hope of dropping nvidia's pricing
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:55 pm

I game on a 2560x1440 G-Sync display. I just ordered a 2080 Ti.

Your purchase should be guided by, in part, the games you play and which FPS count are you aiming for:


For a quick overview I jump over to guru3d.com. Ignore that the following is a 590 review - check to see if any of your preferred games are benchmarked:

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/x ... ew,11.html
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:28 pm

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I game on a 2560x1440 G-Sync display. I just ordered a 2080 Ti.

Your purchase should be guided by, in part, the games you play and which FPS count are you aiming for:


For a quick overview I jump over to guru3d.com. Ignore that the following is a 590 review - check to see if any of your preferred games are benchmarked:

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/x ... ew,11.html


I reference Guru3d and Techreport quite a bit for reference points for games at specefic resolutions. But I also wanted to get the higher end card because that extra 25-30% you get over the 2070 helps give you a little extra life out of the card and bragging rights. I'm most just frustrated with Nvidia's pricing on this series of cards.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:32 pm

You could also see if you can find a Black Friday sale on a 1080 TI -- performance within spitting distance of the 2080 as long as you don't require any of the new RTX functions, and likely a bunch less pricey.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:59 pm

Is it me or are 1080 Ti cards crazy expensive?
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:03 pm

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Is it me or are 1080 Ti cards crazy expensive?



You aren't crazy. There has been an upsurge for demand for 1080Tis in light of RTX 2080's official launch. 1080Tis aren't been made anymore and they rival RTX 2080 at DX11 stuff so etailers are going to be milking the market for its worth.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:41 pm

liquid_mage wrote:
I wanted to get the higher end $760 to $800 GeForce RTX2080 because that extra few % you get over the 2070 helps give you a little extra life out of the card. I'm mostly just frustrated with NVidia's pricing on this series of cards.
You could also put the $200-$250 into the bank and save for a future upgrade.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:47 pm

liquid_mage wrote:


I bought a 2560x1440 GSync Display about 18 months ago and I know I would benefit from a new card at that resolution..



-at this resolution a 2070 should be good. I'd personally pay a $60 premium for a 2070 vs. a 1080.

I'd wait for black Friday (and potentially cyber Monday), specifically looking for rebates for any 2070.
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:01 pm

Yes the 1080TI cards are crazy expensive, which is weird since the performance is about the same as RTX 2080s which are $750-$850

I feel like if I go budget I should just get a 1070TI for $360ish. The 1070ti is about 93% faster than my 970 at 2560x1440, vs the 2070 being 125% faster.

I have been watching for Black Friday Deals, Newegg released their's already. Amazon has a few out, and I'm starting to get Microcenter notices as well. I really haven't seen anything on the new Geforces.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:48 pm

I don't know if you're ok with used tech, but, as you're looking at a 1070ti for 350, I feel obliged to mention that I just got a hotclocked trifan 1080 (gigabyte) for 300 off on ebay.. had to keep an eye out for the better deals/cards.. I have also been using a used 1070 for the past 1.5 years, and it's worked perfectly fine as well (only reason I got another card is that I'm selling the guts of my system to my little brother, otherwise the 1070 worked just fine in fallout vr)
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:24 am

liquid_mage wrote:
I want and can get a 2080 for $750us

liquid_mage wrote:
I'm most just frustrated with Nvidia's pricing on this series of cards.

NVIDIA's pricing will stay this high as long as people buy their product at this pricing.

But, you might want the shiny new thing enough to validate their pricing strategy by paying $750 rather than the $400-450 console price, and that's reasonable given you're on a GTX 970 and the relative performance is more than double at your resolution.

Do you need to double FPS, though? Pricing on the GTX 1080 ($450) and GTX 1070 Ti ($350) is currently sane, if you could tolerate buying last-gen (though I'd guess maybe not) and that way you could still have a hugely better GPU and $300-400 kept in the bank.

You could even buy a GTX 1070 Ti and that $400 games console you mention ...
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:44 am

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Do you need to double FPS, though? Pricing on the GTX 1080 ($450) and GTX 1070 Ti ($350) is currently sane, if you could tolerate buying last-gen (though I'd guess maybe not) and that way you could still have a hugely better GPU and $300-400 kept in the bank.

You could even buy a GTX 1070 Ti and that $400 games console you mention ...


The last gen technology is whats really bothering me. Plus the 1070ti gets me 55-80 fps at 2560x1440 in most modern games, that becomes 45-70 in 6-9 months and 40-60 in 10-18 months. But I do agree the price to performance is a lot more tolerable, I'm just worried there won't be a lot of longevity.

To be honest I really don't have an interest in console gaming, my wife and kids have a Switch which is nice and fun for family games. I had a PS3 and literally only ever played 2 games on it for about 3 months total, then it became a dvd and netflix device.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:06 pm

The last gen technology is whats really bothering me.


Keep in mind the new things in Turing are Ray Tracing, DLSS, etc. Based on Jeff's reviews of those, Ray Tracing seems to be in early-adopter mode this time around (performance hit is too high to make them practical), and the other new functions aren't exactly game changing either (at least not yet).

So by the time those new technologies actually matter, you'll probably also find this generation of cards are behind the curve on actually using them.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:47 pm

If one bought a 1080 Ti before the price bubble last year then that may go down as one of the great tech buys - it may last until the next gen of Nvidia products.

I bought a GTX 1080 FE on launch day and I've been dreaming of a next gen card with a bonkers cooler ever since (hence my ludicrous 2080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA GAMING purchase). My QHD G-Sync display craves more fps!
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:51 pm

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The last gen technology is whats really bothering me. Plus the 1070ti gets me 55-80 fps at 2560x1440 in most modern games, that becomes 45-70 in 6-9 months and 40-60 in 10-18 months. But I do agree the price to performance is a lot more tolerable, I'm just worried there won't be a lot of longevity.

Yeah, I hear you and would feel the same but, well, you need to move to something, that GTX 970 can't be getting much above the low 40s at your resolution with a decently high set of settings. So, the question is financial, whether to spend at $350 = GTX 1070 Ti , $450 = GTX 1080, $500 = RTX 2070, or $750 = RTX 2080.

You seem to have the ability to tolerate low FPS, given the 970, so could the 1070 Ti be a tolerably good improvement for that 1 to 1.5 years? Asking because NVIDIA's time interval between top-end car drops is usually well within that up to ~550 days and you might hope that pricing will become saner by then?

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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:57 pm

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You seem to have the ability to tolerate low FPS, given the 970, so could the 1070 Ti be a tolerably good improvement for that 1 to 1.5 years? Asking because NVIDIA's time interval between top-end car drops is usually well within that up to ~550 days and you might hope that pricing will become saner by then?


It helps that I mostly play Warframe, Diablo 3, Civ 5. I do play some Civ 6 and Ark, those push my system the most. Also the G-Sync helps tolerate the lower frames.

Also your last statement that it will be 20-24 months before we get a new generation of cards, is part of the reason I'm leaning toward the 2080. What am I going to do wait 6 months for the cards to drop $50-75. Also since the TI dropped with the main cards we don't know if there will be a mid cycle release.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:54 pm

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It helps that I mostly play Warframe, Diablo 3, Civ 5. I do play some Civ 6 and Ark, those push my system the most. Also the G-Sync helps tolerate the lower frames.

Also your last statement that it will be 20-24 months before we get a new generation of cards, is part of the reason I'm leaning toward the 2080. What am I going to do wait 6 months for the cards to drop $50-75. Also since the TI dropped with the main cards we don't know if there will be a mid cycle release.

Seems sensible, hopefully you'll get it even cheaper than that if there'll be more pressure on NVIDIA pricing by then from AMD, who hopefully can launch an e.g. RX Vega 64+ using the die-shrunk 7 nm chip that's in the new accelerator boards, it ought to be performance competitive with the RTX 2070 and they should be able to sell it for $500 or maybe even less.

(That's from comparison of the MI60's 20% clock gain and more than doubled memory bandwidth over the MI25. It's also not impossible that a Navi-based successor to the RX 580 could be round about where the GTX 1070 or maybe even 1070 Ti is at performance-wise, and be profitable for AMD at under $300.)
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:41 pm

I'd recommend either the 2070 or even a 1080 and put the saved money toward a better card when the value is really there. It's a big improvement over what you have, and 2080's non RT performance is questionable enough that I can't justify the big price jump. Unfortunately 1080s and 1080Tis are getting more expensive since everyone's trying to get one now that they see NV's next generation isn't all that great. Me too, I suppose...I'm looking at picking up a Zotac 1080 Mini during the sale weekend to replace a GTX 960.
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:00 am

I still don't think it's a good value.. but at $700 (w/ Black Friday discount plus instant coupon) it's the least expensive 2080 I've seen:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... 0_amp.html
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:39 am

EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 XC Gaming, 8GB GDDR6 $485

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J6 ... eport09-20
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:57 am

Microcenter had the Gigabyte Geforce 2080 Gaming OC model for $750us locally. I picked it up this morning. I get 1080TI level performance with DLSS support(sooner) and RT(but I doubt it will ever get used). As I said I was mostly frustrated, but I was ready to buy a new high end card.
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:10 am

Put the negative thoughts out of your head and just enjoy what you have. It was the best choice out of a slew of bad options, but since the choice is made, just go with it ;-)
 
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Re: New Video Card torn between the 2080 or 2070

Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:11 pm

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Microcenter had the Gigabyte Geforce 2080 Gaming OC model for $750us locally. I picked it up this morning.
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