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RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:37 pm

Hello - I am building a new pc. I have most parts picked out. I am hoping to play games on a 1440p 144hz monitor with gsync in ultra settings. Will the 2070 handle most AAA titles in this setting? I feel the 2080 is overpriced for what it is but if that’s what I need then that’s what I’ll get.

Thanks in advance.

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GPU: ??? (2070 or 2080)
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Monitor : Dell 1440p 144hz with gsync

Thanks for your expertise and advice.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:42 pm

Wait for others to chime in, but between these two I'd go for a 2070. Also see if you can find interesting prices on 1080s.

If price is a consideration, I wouldn't get a 9700K. Maybe 9600K or 8700K (if you find good prices). Or an AMD?

1.5TB in 2 SSDs seems like a waste. I'd get one 1TB SSD (either NVMe or SATA) and a 2-4TB HDD.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:51 pm

I posted the exact same question about 6 weeks ago. I went with the 2080, I hate the price but I also couldn't spend $500+ dollars on a card that has similar performance to a 2 year old GTX 1080. So far i'm very happy with my RTX 2080. You may not notice lower frame rates as much because you have G-Sync, but if you are playing AAA FPS at 2560x1440 and want higher frame rates you will probably want the RTX 2080.
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:36 pm

meerkt wrote:

If price is a consideration, I wouldn't get a 9700K. Maybe 9600K or 8700K (if you find good prices). Or an AMD?

1.5TB in 2 SSDs seems like a waste. I'd get one 1TB SSD (either NVMe or SATA) and a 2-4TB HDD.


I looked into the 8700k and was only a savings of 30$. Good advice on the ssd...i will consider that
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:44 pm

liquid_mage wrote:
I hate the price but I also couldn't spend $500+ dollars on a card that has similar performance to a 2 year old GTX 1080. So far i'm very happy with my RTX 2080.


I agree. One of my thoughts was if I don’t spend the extra 200 on the 2080 and the 2070 is good for 3-5 years at that point there might be some graphics cards and technology actually worth upgrading to. And possibly spending more at that point. In my opinion the 20 series cards are not ground breaking technology and are overpriced. Maybe the 30 or 40 series cards would be more worthy of extra $
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:48 pm

I have a 1080 TI (and a r7 1700) and its about as good as a 2070. I can run everything cranked. Though, I'm one of those weirdos that gets enraged with hitching, so I play everything on the lowest anyway.

2070 or 2080 is a fine choice, though like was already mentioned, Paying $500 for performance you could get two years ago for $700 feels weird, so maybe a 2080?

If i were in the position to get a new GPU now, I'd probably get a 2080...

Though, I'd also be tempted to wait. Nvidia clearly has the market cornered for high end stuff, and the prices are heavily inflated becuase of that. Though, I don't know how long you'd have to wait. Maybe wait for CES and see if anything cool is announced? If you don't hear anything by CES, I'd assume any AMD competition is a very long way off.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:18 pm

I would forego both of them and get the 1080ti. The advantages for the hardware just do not justify the cost. All the new tech is truly awesome and will end up revolutionizing gaming. But not for a while. Any major DirectX release or new tech really needs time to mature. The performance in the new tech just isn't there. To me, it feels like when DX9 cards came out. There were very few AAA DX9 titles I would have wanted to play on an ATI 9700Pro or Nvidia 5800 ultra. The refreshes were much more capable. But the next generation was far better.
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:28 pm

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I would forego both of them and get the 1080ti.


The cheapest 1080ti I see is over 800 and 1080 around 700.....unfortunately. But at that price 2080 makes the most sense to me.

I’m still leaning towards the 2070. It sounds like it can do 1440p @ 144hz with gsync. That is my biggest concern. I have no plans to upgrade to 4K.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:27 pm

Pascal cards are no longer a viable recommendation. Even if Navi is weak it should turn in at least 1070 level performance for less money, and the stronger cards are discontinued and unavailable through normal retail channels. It sucks, but it is what it is and it's what we're stuck with until 7nm has left the realm of urban legend.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:52 pm

Vega 64 for $400 is a much better value than a 2070. So if the rest seem a bit steep for you, maybe consider that?

Can someone else weigh in on that? I may be missing something since no one else seemed to mention it.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:00 pm

Assuming the 2060 comes out at MSRP, it might be worth a look. 2080/2070 aren't that much faster then 2060 to warrant their premium. 2080Ti seems to be the SKU worth it if you managed to find one at MSRP and are gaming at 4K resolution. 1080Ti is practically unobtainum now that people pick-up all of the remaining stock in light of 2080 launch. The few units that are still available are at outlandish prices that make 2080/2080Ti look good by comparison.

The GPU performance market is a complete mess as far as pricing is concerned. The returns from going beyond 1070, 1070Ti, Vega 56 aren't worth it unless you go big with 2080Ti. Hopefully, Navi brings in needed pressure on mid-range segment.
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:12 pm

shaq_mobile wrote:
Vega 64 for $400 is a much better value than a 2070. So if the rest seem a bit steep for you, maybe consider that?

Can someone else weigh in on that? I may be missing something since no one else seemed to mention it.


A free punch in the face is great value too. Doesn't mean you should choose that path.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:06 pm

At 1440p, you'll be good for the foreseeable future with a 1070Ti, 2060, or 2070. Even a regular 1070 would work if you don't mind turning things down a notch on AAA games. See what deals you can find, and make a judgment call.

Just don't expect ray-tracing from those RTX cards. According to the [H], you don't even get playable framerates in BF V at 1080p with a 2070. They rip nVidia a new one over the fact that 2060/2070 cards are branded RTX when you can't even use it.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:56 pm

TheRazorsEdge wrote:
At 1440p, you'll be good for the foreseeable future with a 1070Ti, 2060, or 2070. Even a regular 1070 would work if you don't mind turning things down a notch on AAA games. See what deals you can find, and make a judgment call.

Just don't expect ray-tracing from those RTX cards. According to the [H], you don't even get playable framerates in BF V at 1080p with a 2070. They rip nVidia a new one over the fact that 2060/2070 cards are branded RTX when you can't even use it.


It's Tardocp. All they do now is whine about Nvidia and make mountains out of molehills. Other, less biased sources disagree with the drama-queen hysteria about RTX performance on RTX 2060 in Battlefield V:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3 ... vs-vega-56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFhWlHpq0wA

So yeah, maybe not 60 FPS locked but it's a $350 graphics card running a feature that is brand new to the consumer market which the competition doesn't even support. If you want better performance, you pay more money. This is true of anything in life.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:33 pm

I wonder if they will roll out localized RT for the smaller cards. In an RPG, it’s be great if your character was the prettier one. Or maybe just certain <10% parts of the scene.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:44 pm

techguy wrote:
shaq_mobile wrote:
Vega 64 for $400 is a much better value than a 2070. So if the rest seem a bit steep for you, maybe consider that?

Can someone else weigh in on that? I may be missing something since no one else seemed to mention it.


A free punch in the face is great value too. Doesn't mean you should choose that path.


Vega 64 @ $400 seems like a good value to me. Its going to be hotter and louder than other cards, but there are multiple solutions to that problem. AMD's CES announcements are literally tomorrow. So its better to wait out the rest of this week before deciding on anything.

But a few weeks ago, Reference Vega64 @ $400 was my choice over the RTX 2070. The NVidia FreeSync support + 2060 announcement two days ago changes the calculus a bit. But otherwise, Vega64 doesn't seem like a bad choice at that price range.

I personally am running Blender however, which is incredibly well optimized for Vega64. Vega64 is a serious compute beast, so if you are doing any kind of professional workload (3d modeling, video editing) that supports Vega64... its pretty good.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:58 am

Yeah I guess it's best to wait for tomorrow and see what AMD has!

The vega 64 seems like the best bargain, but sounds like it has some drawbacks as well. ;)

I was just reading reviews and pricing out a TR build and ran across some Vega benchmarks, and they seem a lot more attractive now, hence me posting that comment. One thing that I wish we could do is a value chart based on the most recent tech report benchmarks that kept the prices up to date and even had a history chart. I was thinking something similar to the price/perf charts in the benchmarks that just pulls new prices and updates them. That would have been great during the last few mining crises! Something that's surprised me is the value changes over time. Some of the items that don't seem to make a big splash sometimes seem much more attractive after a year on the market, when the prices adjust to reflect demand.
 
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:22 am

It's a very good period to buy a CPU (competition!) but not a very good period to invest a lot on a GPU. If you don't care to upgrade and can't be bothered to replace a GPU 2 years down the road, then a relatively high-end part should have a lot of life (ask people who bought 1080Tis, for example) but it will be expensive. In that case, just get a 2080. The 2060 is a more reasonable purchase (although I wouldn't go so far as to call it "value for money") and it will definitely run 1440p just fine for the moment without any of the fancy "RTX" stuff. The 2070 is a more difficult proposition: it's definitely great today but not overkill enough for 144Hz to be really future-proof, may or may not run RTX stuff in the future at 1440p (probably not) and it's not cheap either. I wouldn't buy a 10X0 series card, unless you find a very attractive sale, something unlikely.

Personally, I would get the 2060 and upgrade down the road but I like upgrading piece by piece. Most people would splurge on the 2080 and forget about GPUs for a while.
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Re: RTX 2070 vs 2080

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:55 pm

Yep, the Radeon VII looks tempting even at probably £625 and coming from a Radeon RX Vega 56 (and not just for the sweet short name). Yay competition.

Only nagging doubt is that this isn't the fully-enabled chip, those are still being gobbled up by the compute cards as the Radeon Instinct MI60's (this card is the gaming version of the MI50, one step down) and it would suck to blow £600 and have the Radeon VII+ land in the summer...
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