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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:27 pm

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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:30 pm

K-L-Waster wrote:
https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-will-take-on-nvidia-and-amd-graphics-cards-by-mid-2020-but-gamers-could-be-disappointed

The rumors of a mid-2020 launch for the Intel Xe graphics card come from industry sources, according to DigiTimes. Apparently, the sources have said that: “Instead of purely targeting the gaming market, Intel is set to combine the new GPUs with its CPUs to create a competitive platform in a bid to pursuit business opportunities from datacenter, AI and machine learning applications.”

That means that Intel’s upcoming graphics card might not be aimed at gamers. The focus on AI and machine learning applications in particular could worry Nvidia, which has been investing heavily in those areas.

If true, that's unfortunate. I'd like to see alot more competition and better offerings in the sub-$150 range. Even a hopped-up integrated GPU could potentially compete with a 1030 or RX 550 if given it's own dedicated GDDR. Above that, the 570 is a solid performer for the money, but it's too hot and power hungry for what should be its target market (people trying to make cheap gaming rig out of storebought PCs with barely adequate PSUs).

I just had a dumb thought: Have GPU makers ever considered including the ability to power their cards off an external brick powersupply?
 
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:57 pm

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I just had a dumb thought: Have GPU makers ever considered including the ability to power their cards off an external brick powersupply?


Those external GPU enclosures used by laptops do exactly that, don't they?

Not sure it would help in a desktop -- who wants to be fishing a lead from a power brick back into your case?
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:00 pm

The Egg wrote:
K-L-Waster wrote:
https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-will-take-on-nvidia-and-amd-graphics-cards-by-mid-2020-but-gamers-could-be-disappointed

The rumors of a mid-2020 launch for the Intel Xe graphics card come from industry sources, according to DigiTimes. Apparently, the sources have said that: “Instead of purely targeting the gaming market, Intel is set to combine the new GPUs with its CPUs to create a competitive platform in a bid to pursuit business opportunities from datacenter, AI and machine learning applications.”

That means that Intel’s upcoming graphics card might not be aimed at gamers. The focus on AI and machine learning applications in particular could worry Nvidia, which has been investing heavily in those areas.

If true, that's unfortunate. I'd like to see alot more competition and better offerings in the sub-$150 range. Even a hopped-up integrated GPU could potentially compete with a 1030 or RX 550 if given it's own dedicated GDDR. Above that, the 570 is a solid performer for the money, but it's too hot and power hungry for what should be its target market (people trying to make cheap gaming rig out of storebought PCs with barely adequate PSUs).


Yeah, this is a downer if it's true. I just got the parts to build a server I was hoping to put to part-time work with OpenCL, and was hoping I could grab an Intel GPU for under $200 to round things out.
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:31 pm

K-L-Waster wrote:
The Egg wrote:
I just had a dumb thought: Have GPU makers ever considered including the ability to power their cards off an external brick powersupply?

Not sure it would help in a desktop -- who wants to be fishing a lead from a power brick back into your case?

I was thinking more of a barrel plug on the rear slot. Point being that it would allow you to use virtually any graphics card (up to the external power brick's limit) in any computer without additional work.

Changing a powersupply is daunting to most, and often a dealbreaker. Also, storebought PCs often have proprietary connections.
 
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:38 pm

I've seen overclockers do mods similar to that in order to bypass power restriction features that were built into the card, but they don't usually look like something you might buy off the shelf. :lol:
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:20 pm

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Yeah, this is a downer if it's true. I just got the parts to build a server I was hoping to put to part-time work with OpenCL, and was hoping I could grab an Intel GPU for under $200 to round things out.


Well, that would depend on what "datacenter, AI and machine learning applications” ends up meaning. If it means Xe's got dual precision and lots of compute units it may be exactly what you need.

OTOH, if it means Intel looked at the price tag on a Titan and said "hold my cabernet sauvignon," then yeah, may not be the right thing for a home project.
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:54 pm

https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-firs ... te-vecchio
Intel Ponte Vecchio is not a gaming GPU. The first Xe graphics are for exascale computing. On November 17th Intel will share details on the project “Aurora”. This exascale computer features Sapphire Rapids Xeon CPUs, Ponte Vecchio GPUs and Intel’s new initiative called oneAPI (unified programming model).
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:57 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-first-xe-graphics-processor-is-called-ponte-vecchio
Intel Ponte Vecchio is not a gaming GPU. The first Xe graphics are for exascale computing. On November 17th Intel will share details on the project “Aurora”. This exascale computer features Sapphire Rapids Xeon CPUs, Ponte Vecchio GPUs and Intel’s new initiative called oneAPI (unified programming model).

Something tells me Waco will let us know what he's been up to as soon as the NDA drops.
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:05 pm

What boggles the mind is that it seems that he is simultaneously getting new supercomputers from all of the suppliers at once. :lol:
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:16 pm

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What boggles the mind is that it seems that he is simultaneously getting new supercomputers from all of the suppliers at once. :lol:

Probably needs to drive downhill from Los Alamos to increase his O2 intake.
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:04 am

:lol: I have essentially zero interest in Aurora/A21. It'll be a "neat" machine but my groups tend to design/buy machines that can run our mission codes at best efficiency. Machines like El Capitan, Summit, and Frontier will run about .5% efficiency at best for the codes we run.

We're shooting for 3-5% on Crossroads...so between 6x and 10x efficiency. I sincerely hope Intel can find a consumer use for the Xe line...but it absolutely isn't their first priority.

JustAnEngineer wrote:
What boggles the mind is that it seems that he is simultaneously getting new supercomputers from all of the suppliers at once. :lol:

We like to get a small version of basically anything interesting. You'll note no GPU systems have been announced. ;)
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:08 am

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:lol: I have essentially zero interest in Aurora/A21. It'll be a "neat" machine but my groups tend to design/buy machines that can run our mission codes at best efficiency. Machines like El Capitan, Summit, and Frontier will run about .5% efficiency at best for the codes we run.

This sounds like a ghost from my past. Most of my stint at a DOE lab (which was a very long time ago...) was spent optimizing software so that the efficiency didn't completely suck. I guess some things never change!
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:15 am

Intel could have an unfair advantage in that it could optimize its drivers to make their CPU's and GPU's work in synergy using AVX instructions and some other tricks that aren't well known. They could even run the iGPU and dGPU in tandem in a sort of SLI scheme to eke out as much speed as possible. Their secret sauce could be adding special instructions to their future CPU architectures just to accelerate their GPUs.
 
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:25 pm

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Intel could have an unfair advantage in that it could optimize its drivers to make their CPU's and GPU's work in synergy using AVX instructions and some other tricks that aren't well known. They could even run the iGPU and dGPU in tandem in a sort of SLI scheme to eke out as much speed as possible. Their secret sauce could be adding special instructions to their future CPU architectures just to accelerate their GPUs.


Honestly I wouldn't have a problem with that.

What I would have a problem with is if they turned around and knee-capped any GPU that wasn't Intel...
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:31 am

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15130/an ... i-about-xe

What's funny is how uninformative the interview is regarding what we really want to know: how competitive is their discrete GPU solution. No hints when it might hit the streets. Intel focusing on HPC first reeks of similarities with the Larrabee fiasco. Maybe their GPU is not yet ready for primetime, and probably will not be for quite a while, considering both nVidia and AMD (with their new line-up next year) moved the goalpost to raytracing as a standard feature. It was hard for Intel getting a competitive GPU made WITHOUT raytracing. It might either be underwhelming or Intel might spend half a decade playing catch up. Also, that line about impacting 200 million installed base of iGPUs, so they might raise the bar for the iGPU, which they had been doing before Raja anyway.
 
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:52 am

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/15130/anandtech-exclusive-an-interview-with-intels-raja-koduri-about-xe

What's funny is how uninformative the interview is regarding what we really want to know: how competitive is their discrete GPU solution. No hints when it might hit the streets. Intel focusing on HPC first reeks of similarities with the Larrabee fiasco. Maybe their GPU is not yet ready for primetime, and probably will not be for quite a while, considering both nVidia and AMD (with their new line-up next year) moved the goalpost to raytracing as a standard feature. It was hard for Intel getting a competitive GPU made WITHOUT raytracing. It might either be underwhelming or Intel might spend half a decade playing catch up. Also, that line about impacting 200 million installed base of iGPUs, so they might raise the bar for the iGPU, which they had been doing before Raja anyway.


The front page article on TR is suggesting launch sometime in 2021, so a lack of details isn't all that surprising. You're still looking at 15 months or more (possibly much more) before anything ships.

Too early to say if it will succeed or not.
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:20 am

https://wccftech.com/intel-dg1-gpu-will ... t-25w-tdp/

Sad if true. Guess Nvidia and AMD have nothing to worry about in 2020 at least.
 
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:50 am

No big surprises here. Seems like once a decade or so, Intel feels obligated to take another futile stab at the dGPU market. This feels no different.
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:54 am

Competition is ALWAYS a good thing!
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:12 pm

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Competition is ALWAYS a good thing!

The only competition that will arise from Xe will be in the datacenter...maybe.
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Re: Who else is excited about Intel's Xe?

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:40 am

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15338/in ... re-to-come
Tiger Lake is "One of the first products with our Xe graphics architecture"


So Xe is finally coming to a laptop near you before the end of the year it seems.

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