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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Mon May 20, 2019 10:31 pm

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It's doubtful you'd be able to sell your 1070 for a reasonable percentage of its worth

That's alright. I should be able to repair that Ryzen 1700 system at some point even if I have WAY more kit than I need already.

(Or, I have a friend who insists his Radeon 550 is good enough...but all he plays is Guild Wars 2 anyway, so eh.)
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 5:04 am

As a 7 year-old game, Guild Wars 2 is bottlenecked by your CPU's individual thread performance. (Type /age in the chat window to see how many days and hours you've played.)

The program thread that runs the graphics engine has too much to do when you and 150 of your pals are whomping on a world boss with every dazzling spell and weapon effect available creating secondary light sources, shadows and reflections off of their brilliant armor. When I'm exploring Tyria and there are just 10 or 20 creatures on the screen at once, My Radeon RX Vega64 pushes well over 100 frames/second at 2560x1440 with all graphics settings at maximum. When the Svanir Shaman in the Frozen Maw is a daily world boss achievement, my frame rate drops to less than 20 fps until the battle ends. Because this is an old game, it tends to run better on NVidia GPUs. GeForce GTX 980Ti outperforms Radeon RX Vega56 in Guild Wars 2, but not in modern games.


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https://www.techpowerup.com/255768/sapp ... adeon-navi
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 7:23 am

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I dunno right now.

I'm torn between navi being just another respin on 7nm pushed to the absolute max so all the efficiency is gone or it will be AMD's ryzen equivalent in a graphics chip.

I suspect it will be more the respin pushed to the max like radeon VII.

Sure everything will be a notch faster because they can rev it higher but the inefficiency of the GCN arch will not be fixed.
GCN 5 is as far as they can take it without some serious fixing and re-engineering.
Maybe the "next gen" arch will fix it and get AMD (ATI) back in the game again.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 7:49 am

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I only game at 4K and it's definitely in the "competitive" bracket versus the 2080 there. It certainly gets a pretty great boost from water-cooling as well as using less power under water

You say "competitive" with an RTX 2080 at 4K yet all the testing shows that a stock VII is around 10% slower at 4K than a 2080. You are defining "competitive" as within ~10% in this instance.
If we're adding water cooling into the mix, your waterblock will raise the cost of your VII perilously close to the $999 you can pick up a 2080Ti for. And no amount of watercooling is going to stop the VII from being blown away by the 2080Ti.

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a Vega 56/64 water-cooled and overclocked still won't touch a VII, unless the definition of competitive changes suddenly. :P

This is why I called you out on it; Double-standards hypocrisy! :P

Vega56 with a 64BIOS at 1650MHz core and 1050MHz HBM2 (a reasonable expectation for a watercooled reference board using Samsung's HBM2) is going to be as close to a Radeon VII as a Radeon VII is to a 2080, at maybe $279 for the card, even a $200 waterblock brings it nowhere close to the cost of a Radeon VII's $699

You can't have it both ways, either "within 10%" is "competitive", or it is not. You can't say that a VII's 90% of a 2080 is competitive, but then say that a modded Vega56 "still won't touch a VII" when it also gets 90% of the way there. At any rate, it's not competitive, because the Vega56 still costs much less, even after you've bought a high-end waterblock for it!
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 10:35 am

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You can't have it both ways, either "within 10%" is "competitive", or it is not. You can't say that a VII's 90% of a 2080 is competitive, but then say that a modded Vega56 "still won't touch a VII" when it also gets 90% of the way there. At any rate, it's not competitive, because the Vega56 still costs much less, even after you've bought a high-end waterblock for it!

I've yet to see a Vega56 within 10% of the VII. Any sources for that?
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 12:23 pm

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Because this is an old game, it tends to run better on NVidia GPUs. GeForce GTX 980Ti outperforms Radeon RX Vega56 in Guild Wars 2, but not in modern games.

While I don't doubt that it's true in this case, that doesn't directly follow. My own experience is that AMD handles old CPU-bound stuff significantly better on average.
 
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 12:24 pm

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I've yet to see a Vega56 within 10% of the VII. Any sources for that?


If you want a huge sample size, 3D Mark's online results database.
It may be a synthetic test with no relevance to real-world game results, but in terms of A/B testing two identical architectures that differ only in bandwidth and clockspeed, it's perfectly valid.

There are almost 100 Vega56 results scoring north of 3800 points on Time Spy Extreme from a variety of different users, ranging from 1600-1700Mhz core clocks.
Radeon VII scores about 4200 on the same test at stock speeds.
(I picked 3800 points because that's 90% of the Radeon VII's 4200 score)

I've seen videos of modded, waterblocked Vega56 at 5-10% faster than Vega64 stock in a battery of gaming tests, so that correlates because the VII is typically 15% faster than a stock Vega64. I think it was Steve over at GamersNexus but it's been a while since he was messing with the Vega56. It's old news now ;)

I'm not sure why you're so surprised - Radeon VII is a die-shrink, not a new architecture. if you clock a Vega56 close to a Radeon VII, the only real difference is 56 compute units vs 60 and the extra memory bandwidth on the VII is largely unneeded, because Vega's HBM2 is already an insane amount of bandwidth. As Krogoth implies it's not bandwidth that's the issue when the VII pulls ahead, just those extreme examples where the 8GB cards (he cited the 2080) actually run out of VRAM.

The whole discussion is getting a bit silly though, because for the price of a single VII you can almost buy three Vega56 cards, and Crossfire caveats aside, that's a lot of GPU power.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 1:20 pm

Yeah I think waiting is a better approach for the time being! Thanks! :)
 
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 1:51 pm

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I'm not sure why you're so surprised - Radeon VII is a die-shrink, not a new architecture. if you clock a Vega56 close to a Radeon VII, the only real difference is 56 compute units vs 60 and the extra memory bandwidth on the VII is largely unneeded, because Vega's HBM2 is already an insane amount of bandwidth. As Krogoth implies it's not bandwidth that's the issue when the VII pulls ahead, just those extreme examples where the 8GB cards (he cited the 2080) actually run out of VRAM.

While I'm sure we're past the patience of the other threadgoers; this isn't what I see. Yes, it's just a die shrink (with fewer compute units), but at similar clocks it seems to be significantly faster on average at high resolutions. That memory bandwidth is clearly helping there.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 6:23 pm

Waco wrote:
While I'm sure we're past the patience of the other threadgoers; this isn't what I see. Yes, it's just a die shrink (with fewer compute units), but at similar clocks it seems to be significantly faster on average at high resolutions. That memory bandwidth is clearly helping there.


It helps a bit; Bandwidth becomes a bigger part of the GPU performance as resolution increases but at some point even that argument falls apart because the framerates are too low for the advantage to matter.

Looking at the TPU Radeon VII review, it fails to hit 60fps average, (let alone minimum) framerates in around half of the 21 games tested at 4K. In several of them 40fps isn't achievable and in once case I saw framerates in the high twenties. That's simply not a point at which you can argue about the benefits of bandwidth because regardless of what advantage that bandwidth is providing, the card can't even handle last year's games at those resolutions. What hope is there for the extra bandwidth at 5K, 8K resolutions, or even at 4K in next year's more demanding games?
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 6:56 pm

New benchmark results from TechPowerUp:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Tec ... 019/2.html
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Tue May 21, 2019 6:58 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
As a 7 year-old game, Guild Wars 2 is bottlenecked by your CPU's individual thread performance. (Type /age in the chat window to see how many days and hours you've played.)

The program thread that runs the graphics engine has too much to do when you and 150 of your pals are whomping on a world boss with every dazzling spell and weapon effect available creating secondary light sources, shadows and reflections off of their brilliant armor. When I'm exploring Tyria and there are just 10 or 20 creatures on the screen at once, My Radeon RX Vega64 pushes well over 100 frames/second at 2560x1440 with all graphics settings at maximum. When the Svanir Shaman in the Frozen Maw is a daily world boss achievement, my frame rate drops to less than 20 fps until the battle ends. Because this is an old game, it tends to run better on NVidia GPUs. GeForce GTX 980Ti outperforms Radeon RX Vega56 in Guild Wars 2, but not in modern games.


Here's a new rumor about Navi:
https://www.techpowerup.com/255768/sapp ... adeon-navi

I'm just sayin throwing a powerhouse of a GPU at someone who'll just run a DX9 game on it seems like the most pointless thing in the universe. I'd love to help him out, but...no. I'd sooner throw it in the garbage.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 10:59 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
New benchmark results from TechPowerUp:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Tec ... 019/2.html


Fine wine strikes again; It's gone from 10% slower at 4K to 9% slower at 4K
Victory for AMD!
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 11:18 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
What hope is there for the extra bandwidth at 5K, 8K resolutions, or even at 4K in next year's more demanding games?

Turning down settings is still a thing. :)
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 11:40 am

It shouldn't have to be at $699!
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 11:57 am

Chrispy_ wrote:
It shouldn't have to be at $699!

Given that at $1200 the 2080Ti can't handle some games "maxed out" at 4K, I'm long past caring about ULTRA EVERYTHING insanity.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 12:10 pm

Chrispy_ wrote:
I would expect, based on rumours and leaks so far, that the range of Navi cards available at launch in Q3 will be designed around a 40 compute-unit die. Based on the size reduction of the 7nm Vega 20 die compared to the GloFo 14nm Vega 10 die, the engineering-sample PCB board only has BGA pads big enough for a 40CU or perhaps a 48CU die to physically fit.


https://www.techpowerup.com/255814/amd- ... t-doubling
Still only a tweet, but yet more hints that Navi will be 2560 shaders (40CU).
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 12:51 pm

Doubling ROP counts would be pretty good for Navi performance assuming that part of the rumor is true.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 2:21 pm

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Waiting is smart right now. Prices for anything beyond the RTX 2060/Vega 56/1070 bracket are irrationally high relative to the extra performance gained by upgrading. It's doubtful you'd be able to sell your 1070 for a reasonable percentage of its worth, because the resale market's still flooded with mining cards. It's messy, and with Bitcoin being used for another pump 'n' dump scheme inflating in value again, things aren't likely to get more stable in the near term.


Yes, completely agree it is smart to wait for competition from AMD. But with everyone expecting another slam-dunk like Zen 1, there is a lot riding on the launch and the associated performance. All I can say is I will be waiting quite a bit longer than launch to see how real-world performance handles.
 
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 3:47 pm

Since this is the Internet it always happens that way with some people saying "ZOMG BEST WIDGET EVAR!1!!" before every product launch, but you can't have a slam dunk like Zen 1 without having a turd like Bulldozer go before it. GCN isn't a turd, it's just old and unloved. :D

There's that, and if Navi is another GCN re-re-re-refresh as that Sapphire leak makes it sound, then that also points towards an incremental increase in performance instead of something bigger.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Wed May 22, 2019 4:15 pm

As much as I'd love a slam-dunk on the Radeon side of the house, I'd much rather have AMD deliver on the x86 side in spades.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Fri May 24, 2019 8:05 am

JustAnEngineer wrote:
New benchmark results from TechPowerUp:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Tec ... 019/2.html

Gah. Every time someone posts a link and I click it and see the 40+% increase that the Radeon VII has over my Vega 56, I get tempted to spend £650.

Try to tell myself that this is pointless when at the moment I'm mostly playing Rocket League. But I'm only at ~125 FPS average in that, so...
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Fri May 24, 2019 8:28 am

Same problem. My 7950 holds up just fine in the old/easy games that I play... when/if I play them.
 
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Mon May 27, 2019 4:01 am

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I use an eGPU enclosure, and I'm limited to use AMD if I want to use both macOS and Windows and I'm rocking an RX580 at the moment, and I wonder if I should go out of my way and get a Radeon VII (which runs SUPER HOT, I know) or, should I wait for the Navi release... if it ever comes out :(

What eGPU enclosure are you using? Some won't have a powerful enough PSU for something like the radeon VII. I've got a sonnet breakaway 350 that's only rated to ~geforce 1080 power levels, and swapping out the PSU causes funky behavior. With the swapped PSU, sometimes it won't cycle power when I turn on my Mac Mini - put the original PSU back in and it works fine.

Just another thing to consider.
 
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Mon May 27, 2019 6:44 am

According to the teaser, Navi = Vega 64/Radeon VII performance. I'm more curious to see what under the hood changes that AMD RTG did to the architecture. RDNA sounds like more a marketing move to distance itself away from GCN's legacy.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Mon May 27, 2019 7:10 am

For those who haven't seen it:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14412/am ... roved-perf

Will be using GDDR6 instead of HBM (which should help reduce costs and improve availability compared to the VII and Vega), and will have improved IPC and efficiency. AMD is presenting it as being competitive with the RTX 2070.

Depending on the price point, that isn't a bad place to be.
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Mon May 27, 2019 8:59 am

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What eGPU enclosure are you using? Some won't have a powerful enough PSU for something like the radeon VII. I've got a sonnet breakaway 350 that's only rated to ~geforce 1080 power levels, and swapping out the PSU causes funky behavior. With the swapped PSU, sometimes it won't cycle power when I turn on my Mac Mini - put the original PSU back in and it works fine.

Just another thing to consider.

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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Mon May 27, 2019 9:50 am

K-L-Waster wrote:
For those who haven't seen it:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14412/am ... roved-perf

Will be using GDDR6 instead of HBM (which should help reduce costs and improve availability compared to the VII and Vega), and will have improved IPC and efficiency. AMD is presenting it as being competitive with the RTX 2070.

Depending on the price point, that isn't a bad place to be.


https://www.tweaktown.com/news/66003/sa ... index.html

Rumors from Sapphire is $399 and $499 for the two NAVI cards. $499 puts it at the same price range as a RTX 2070. Of course, actual market conditions would be different.

GDDR6 is going to be cheaper, but 7nm process node is going to be expensive. If 7nm were cheap, NVidia would be doing it as well.
 
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Re: Radeon VII or wait for Navi?

Mon May 27, 2019 1:25 pm

dragontamer5788 wrote:
GDDR6 is going to be cheaper, but 7nm process node is going to be expensive. If 7nm were cheap, NVidia would be doing it as well.


I suspect that has more to do with where they were in the release cycle than anything else. 7nm is ready now, but I don't believe it was ready when Turing launched. AFAIK NVidia is going to use, they just haven't yet.
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