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Re: NVidia Ampere

Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:37 pm

SecretMaster wrote:
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I miss the days when the second tier card was only 250 (7800GT).


I think your inflation goggles are kicking in. The 7800GT TR reviewed launched at $399 (back in 2005!). In 2020 dollars, that price is ~$530.00. The 7800 GTX launched as an ~$800.00 card in 2020 dollars.


I stand corrected, fair point.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:55 pm

There's some heavy marketing going on right now to make things appear better than they are, but GeForce RTX 3080 (with the cut-down version of the Ampere GA102 GPU) looks like an appealing card. Performance-wise, this new card is slotting in where GeForce RTX 2080Ti (with the cut-down Turing Tu102 GPU) was in the previous generation, but the price of the new card is hundreds less.

GeForce RTX 2080Ti: 4352 cores : 272 TMUs : 88 ROPs at 1350/1545 MHz, 11 GiB VRAM at 616 GB/s, 250 watts, launched 9/20/2018 at $1000, currently selling for $1700+ or out of stock.
GeForce RTX 3080: 4352 x2 cores : 272 TMUs : 96 ROPs at 1440/1710 MHz, 10 GiB VRAM at 760 GB/s, 320 watts, launching 9/17/2020 at $700, likely to be in very short supply / high demand.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:05 pm

If the 3080 had more VRAM I'd be a day one buyer along with a waterblock.

Since the 3090 has the VRAM...sadly that's now a target once real reviews come out. Fingers crossed AMD knocks it out of the park this winter but I have my doubts.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:45 am

If you need VRAM, then the 24 GiB of GDDR6X on the GeForce RTX 3090 may be your solution. There are rumors of 20 GiB versions of the 3080, but I believe that only 10 GiB versions have been announced.

NVidia Titan RTX: 4608 cores : 288 TMUs : 96 ROPs at 1350/1770 MHz, 24 GiB VRAM at 672 GB/s, 280 watts, launched 12/3/2018 at $2500. Currently $2500.
GeForce RTX 3090: 5248 x2 cores : 328 TMUs : 112 ROPs at 1395/1695 MHz, 24 GiB VRAM at 936 GB/s, 350 watts, launching 9/24/2020 at $1500.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:18 am

Ampere cards will likely experience supply issues that will persist until Q2 2021. The demand is going to be insane and scalpers are going to try to cash in so expect prices to be inflated by 20-30% of MSRP.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:08 pm

I hope this wouldn't be considered necro-posting, but just as an aside from an RTX 3090 with only a few hours into testing so far, I can say some things with confidence now. First off, the PNY 3090 XLR8 version I have is the VCG309024TFXPPB version, not the plainer looking one. However, both cards, according to PNY are perfect reference cards exactly to Nvidia's reference card spec. Considering it's PNY, the makers of Quadro and Titan, reference perfection only makes sense from them.

It is not a factory overclocked card at all, not only is the PCB reference, so are the clock speeds and pretty much everything else. Which, in itself is a great thing as I'm not going to overclock it or mod it or anything, gonna run it as is out of the box. And on that note, with a good amount of gaming and synthetic benchmarking have shown pretty consistent temperatures in the 75C range with AC on and windows closed, but edged up to 80C with my air conditioning off and windows open, but that was under heavy heavy load for awhile. It did get a noticeable sound to the fans when temps hit that, but not any worse than my previous Gigabyte Aorus 1080 Ti, about the same in fact.

Clock speeds as measured by GPUz are averaging in the mid-1900's, though some apps incorrectly have reported up to 2100mhz, but GPUz logging showed 1995mhz when that happened, so was a false reading by the benchmark itself. Performance is AMAZING overall. I won't throw out the raw numbers as they are not super exciting in comparison to reviews of 3090 due to my CPU being an i7 7700K and a slight amount of bottlenecking is happening, but is exactly where it was expected to be and that generally puts it at double what my 1080 Ti could manage as an average, sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less, but approximately double overall.

Older games and benchmarks show less improvement, newer ones do tend to show more.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:41 pm

Krogoth wrote:
Ampere cards will likely experience supply issues that will persist until Q2 2021. The demand is going to be insane and scalpers are going to try to cash in so expect prices to be inflated by 20-30% of MSRP.


Right on all counts except the scale of the markup. I've seen some for +150% :o
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:08 pm

Oh, and PNY direct? No markup, MSRP will not budge. Stock will be plentiful in 2 weeks.

ALL of above is according to PNY Sales Manager Lisette and can be confirmed through her. PNY will not bow to bots or scalpers and will keep the 1499.99 price in effect, at least on their own site and sales. Most of the online vendors sell the same card for 100 bucks or more over MSRP, then charge shipping. PNY does not charge shipping. 2nd day shipping free.

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Re: NVidia Ampere

Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:05 am

PNY is Nvidia's first-tier card partner (FYI, all of the Nvidia branded GPU SKUs are assembled by PNY). On the AMD RTG front, it is Sapphire (They assembled "Built by ATI" branded cards back in the day).
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:08 am

K-L-Waster wrote:
Krogoth wrote:
Ampere cards will likely experience supply issues that will persist until Q2 2021. The demand is going to be insane and scalpers are going to try to cash in so expect prices to be inflated by 20-30% of MSRP.


Right on all counts except the scale of the markup. I've seen some for +150% :o


I didn't expect mark-ups to go up that high. I'd figured a 20-30% mark-up to be plausible as scalpers want to move product quickly while pocketing the difference at the same time.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:25 am

Krogoth wrote:
I didn't expect mark-ups to go up that high. I'd figured a 20-30% mark-up to be plausible as scalpers want to move product quickly while pocketing the difference at the same time.


Agreed. The markups have been atrocious. And don't even think of looking on Ebay or Craigslist.

I for one am not buying anything from anyone until it's within spitting distance of that model's MSRP.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:19 am

For PNY’s RTX 3080 cards, the -MPB model is an inch longer than the -PPB model. That matters in my Define 7 Compact with a front-mounted radiator.

NVidia’s mostly-paper launch of Ampere makes the differences in models irrelevant to 99+% of would-be buyers, since retailers have no cards to sell.
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Re: NVidia Ampere

Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:47 pm

I have the PPB model, and prefer the looks of it over the MPB model. It's been quite enjoyable so far.

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Box on my desk. Pretty...

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Close up of box

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Box opened, card inside. Preeeetty. (I'm easily amused at this point)

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Cats less amused. "Dad, yer disturbing our vibe here..."

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Strange finding in box! A slot brace? Oooooo!

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Everything that came in box, now out of box.

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Side view of card as would be facing out of the case.

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Back plate, simple yet effective looking.

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Inside end of card.

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Business end of card.

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Installed.
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