flip-mode wrote:I don't want to be to harsh on the guy. He's new to the forums. But there's some deep irony to someone saying a person is an idiot for buying a single 7970 turning around and pairing up two 7950s with FX 4100. Fanboyism is an ugly thing. People need to shake it loose. Heck, I root for AMD; I'm the type to root for an underdog. But when AMD puts crap out or even puts good stuff out with an absurd price, then I'll say it. Nvidia has done some really scummy things in the past, but if they put out a great product then I'll give it applause.
Welch wrote:Anywho.... Anyone here want to bring this thread back on topic and away from the trolls with 7 posts on the forums .
I'm interested in the new Kepler cards too, I'd buy a 7800 series card if I didn't think that Kepler was going to drop the prices on the other side or if Kepler itself may wipe the floor with the current 7xxx series cards. Any news on the initial lineup from Nvidia yet, or perhaps some engineering samples out in the wild?
AntiSp4wn wrote:Preface: I don't follow the industry or know my history. If I'm talkin' crazy cut me some slack.
Does anyone think there's a chance Kepler might actually be cheaper? I look at the Sandy Bridge era of the last year+, with $200 i5-2500's and $300 i7-2600's, and those chips offered incredible price vs. performance. Intel could have charged a lot more for those chips (in my view), seeing as AMD had nothing remotely competitive, and yet they did not. The result was a massive win for Intel, I believe there were some stats that it was the largest upgrade year for businesses worldwide moving to sandy bridge chips ever. Heck those chips were, in many situations, performing on par with chips that cost $1,000 from the previous generation in most tasks.
Current leaks seem to suggest that Kepler will be clearly better than the 7000 series, and if nVidia's slides are to be believed I might venture to say massively better (20-40%). If I was nVidia, and I've been winning the graphics war for some time now, in a position similar to Intel, I think I would take the opportunity to undercut AMD as much as possible. Superior product, lower price, and just drive AMD out of business.
Or is that crazy talk?
Welch wrote:Ya I don't see Nvidia trying to cut the throats of AMD, the last thing they need is talk of monopoly in the graphics business, and Intel is getting to the point that their IGP on Sandy and Ivybridge are "Good Enough" for the general web surfer who might want to play a flash game or two and watch full 1080p HD videos.
I didn't mean to suggest that I thought one was going to wipe the floor with the other, I guess I phrased it wrong. I merely meant with both companies "Mid-Higher End" range of cards... that if one offered a "No Brainier" for the price conscious serious gamer, then it would be worth the wait. However, if there is no chance in hell of that from Nvidia (according to factual information we have now), then I would be buying a 7xxx series card. So is there any news to lead us to believe that nvidia wont be hitting that sweet spot card?
oddjobman wrote:firstly i have nothing to do with amd or their viral campaign.
secondly the statement about easy cool was more of a feeler to get peoples views as to so called ratings. ezcools modular psu is bronze rated yet costs half the price of other better makes and reviews show it to be substandard.
as for the fx4100 with every patch it improves. most of the bad reviews are outdated and done before the updates. not to mention the fact that the poor performance was completely down to windows 7 issues and not the technology itself. when windows 8 comes out it will utilise that technology and the processors will work to theor potential.
as for bottleknecking that is not as much of a problem as it once was. running at 4.5 ghz alleviates most of that and in the rare games where it still happens i oc to 5ghz and it bevomes less of a problem.
why do i have the 4100 and not one of the bigger brothers? the answer is two fold.
1) as we stand today nearly all of the games are limited to quad corr so getting anything else if you are just using it as a gaming machine is pointless.
2) windows 7 still has compatibility issues with bulldozer but seems to cope better when dealing with the quad than the others.
when windows 8 comes out it will be designed more towards this technology and so would only be worth a consideration then and only if more games start using more than quad core. when that happens i will get piledriver.
show me a recent review with bulldozer clockef at 4.5ghz where it bottleknecks and on the rare occassion it has because they have chosen a game where they know it will happen, show me their results after they oc it to 5ghz.
most people seem to think its still october or november. its nearly april and things move on.
oh nearly forgot, show me them results whilst using crossfire hd 7950.
as for being a fanboy well you are entitled to your opinion even though for years i used intel but i like amd,s new technology. i believe it is the way forward if technology will continue to double up each year.