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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:54 pm

Shinare wrote:
Unfortunately there is no leeway in which model I am allowed to purchase because of reasons... Its only the Optiplex SFF line, been moving up the 70X0 numbers these days..

Damn, I know work can be stupid but that's something special, requirement for screens to work being blocked by a refusal to buy the same make and model in a different chassis option??? :roll:
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:08 pm

Topinio wrote:
Shinare wrote:
Unfortunately there is no leeway in which model I am allowed to purchase because of reasons... Its only the Optiplex SFF line, been moving up the 70X0 numbers these days..

Damn, I know work can be stupid but that's something special, requirement for screens to work being blocked by a refusal to buy the same make and model in a different chassis option??? :roll:

Welcome to life in a big bureaucratic corporation...
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:18 pm

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Welcome to life in a big bureaucratic corporation...

Still taking that raincheck :wink:

Back semi-OT, if anyone cares for an entry in the EVGA affilate prize draw enough to want to PM me their affiliate code, go fo it.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:53 pm

@Topinio this is wonderful information, thank you for sharing it with us! Were those tests run on the i5-2500K system in your sig?

Interesting to see the GT 1030 basically the performance of the R7 250, although I too expected the difference to be a bit bigger. I wonder how much the 64 bit memory interface is holding it back?
With the Kepler cards you could do a comparison between the GT 730 and GT 740 to see how much extra performance came from the memory (the GDDR5 GT 730s were 64 bit, where the GT 740s were 128 bit, but they both had 384 Keplers) and as I recall it was about a 30% gain.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:39 pm

deruberhanyok wrote:
@Topinio this is wonderful information, thank you for sharing it with us! Were those tests run on the i5-2500K system in your sig?
Thanks, and no problem, glad to; and yes.

deruberhanyok wrote:
Interesting to see the GT 1030 basically the performance of the R7 250, although I too expected the difference to be a bit bigger. I wonder how much the 64 bit memory interface is holding it back?

It seems heavily task-dependant, which is to be expected as the cards have strengths in different areas. While a better processor, the GT 1030 is -- typically? -- starved of weak on memory bandwidth, only 2/3 of the HD 7750 ...

  • doesn't run within the Radeon's 1 GB will favour the GeForce obvs,
  • runs within the 1 GB and is compute-bound will favour the GeForce by 20-35% (Star Swarm, F1 2010 no AA),
  • runs within the 1 GB but needs any reasonable memory bandwidth will favour the Radeon (SteamVR),
  • reasonably balanced will be relatively close (F1 2010 with AA, Metro 2033) but minimum framerates will be likely better on the GeForce due to its much higher clocks,
  • Street Fighter IV :roll: no idea, suspiciously better on the GeForce ... but ofc, that's a thing ...
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:48 pm

Ok i got it. I put it on pci 4x becouse one port does not fit the casing when i try to put on pcie 16x.
my old R7 250 e https://youtu.be/9DG8D0bBYB8
my new GTX 1050 lp 2GB https://youtu.be/rY_S2uZQuyY

Sorry for my english....

Ok, if someone tell you Put your GPU to pci-e 4x do not listen to him.
I put the same gpu to x16 and Works much better - smoother
The videos do not reflect that but believe me the game works much better, there is no strange trimming.

GTX 1050 on pci-e 16x https://youtu.be/u_9HGiGAyMs
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:02 am

Im a bit late in posting as ive had this rig for almost a couple of years now. i have dell 9020 ssf and I managed to squeeze in a Geforce 750 ti.

A bit more aesthetically pleasing than having the psu hanging loose :)

I did have to take the side off my Dell stock power supply and luckily the GPUs fans fit inside the PSU. haha, in summer i have to have side off the pc else it can get a bit toasty and I get artifacts or glitches, its been really hot this year but normally it runs just fine fully closed up.

crabpunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/IMG_6064.jpg Pooop it wont let me post an image/links yet. copy and paste if you wana see.

The GPU that fits in is a - [MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti DirectX 11.2 N750ti-2GD5TLP 2GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

I had to a get SFF bracket for the graphics card off amazon, You lose the VGA when you replace it with a half height bracket that includes HDMI and DVI.

I also had to unscrew and slightly tilt the PSU
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:30 pm

I would generally recommend against doing that, for the heat problems you're seeing sometimes and also because an open power supply is a recipe for a pop and blue smoke incident. But if it works for you, I guess I can't argue with the results.

I haven't tested anything in any of the SFF boxes newer than a 9010, which still had the x16 slot in the "correct" location to use a double-wide GPU. Did you try running the card in the x4 slot? I'm fairly certain it won't work as the slot isn't keyed to provide enough power, but over time a lot of people have asked here and it would be good to have confirmation one way or another.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:30 am

single slot low profile?
GTX 750ti> 1030 GT.
Just follow this guide:
/geforce-profile-single-sujet_968419_1.htm
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:15 am

nicoG wrote:
single slot low profile?
GTX 750ti> 1030 GT.
Just follow this guide:
/geforce-profile-single-sujet_968419_1.htm

Heh, welcome, and we know GTX 750 Ti performs better than GT 1030, it's also twice the TDP... but isn't it also either only available as a non-LP single-slot card or a LP but two-slot card that throttles (so might not even beat the 1030)?

Or correct me please, where can I buy a single-slot, low-profile, brand-new-with-warranty GeForce GTX 750 Ti which doesn't throttle and so perform worse than the benchmarked ones?
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (July 2017)

Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:28 pm

Your best option would be finding a GM107-based Quadro K1200 if that's what you're looking for. Performance will be about the same as a GTX 750 (non-ti). You could also look at the GP107-based Quadro P1000, which is basically a single slot GTX 1050 with slightly lower GPU clock and much lower mem clock. But as I've mentioned in the past, workstation cards are far too expensive for the relative performance if you're just trying to play games.

I also don't know what that link is supposed to be, but I won't consider user-modified cards a real option for this segment.

If your primary purpose is gaming and you're going to go to all of the trouble of modifying a card for single slot operation (which is going to require you buy two cards and swap heatsinks, spending more and voiding warranties) or if you'd rather spend even more on a single slot Quadro / Radeon Pro card, you really would be better off buying a larger system and not wasting your time with trying to keep to low profile, single slot.
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (October 2017)

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:10 pm

Thanks for guide,

I’m running a dell opti 9020 sff (i5 4690) with a 750 ti low profile double slot. It does fit in the x4 slot and works just as well when it was in the other computer (q9650) where it was in a pci 2.0 x16 slot. Its a comparetively low end graphics card so the x4 vs x16 doesn’t really come into play in my opinion. Also, I read that power is supplied the same no matter if it is x4 vs x16. Difference is its not a direct connection to cpu, uses shared pipelines with usb and lan. Might be an issue if your using usb 3.0 during gaming or something?

Still waiting for something better that can fit without spending $200+ lol but it can play gtA5 1080p 60 fps (consistantly thanks to the newer cpu) at low/normal settings so no rush...
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (October 2017)

Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:10 am

deruberhanyok - Firstly, I have to thank you for consistently keeping this thread updated with recommendations. I was one of the first beneficiaries of this thread within a week or so of you having created it, and a week ago I used it again, because I replaced my R7 250E with a GT 1030. Here's results of the one benchmark that I ran.

Settings used for the Unigine Valley 1.0 benchmark are:
  • Render: Direct 3D 11
  • Mode: 1920x1200 2xAA fullscreen
  • Quality: Ultra

Running in a:
  • 2014 Dell OptiPlex 9020 SFF
  • Intel Core i5 4570 at stock 3.2 GHz
  • 16 GB DDR3 at 1600 MHz
  • SanDisk Extreme II SSD

Nvidia GeForce GT 1030
MSI's GeForce GT 1030 2G LP OC, which is mildly overclocked from the factory.
  • FPS: 23.7
  • Score: 990
  • Min FPS: 13.7
  • Max FPS: 41.9

AMD Radeon R7 250E
(a.k.a. a rebranded Cape Verde 7750)
  • FPS: 13.2
  • Score: 552
  • Min FPS: 8.1
  • Max FPS: 22.1

Intel HD Graphics 4600
  • FPS: 3.6
  • Score: 149
  • Min FPS: 2.1
  • Max FPS: 5.9


The reason for the replacement was because the AMD card seemed to be acting up - it caused occasional crashes of the PC, despite cleaning it of dust, cleaning its contacts, reseating it, etc. Once again, this thread came to the rescue as on page 1 there was a recommended single-slot low-profile card, namely the GT 1030. What further convinced me was the fact that this was finally a card with current generation technology, as this lower-end of the market has been languishing with rebranded parts for quite some time.

Objectively, the card idles and runs much cooler (which is expected, given the process changes), and with a lower power draw.

Subjectively, it also means that the card is quieter, and is effectively inaudible under load given the other ambient noise in my room. Moving from the R7 250 to the GT 1030 has made no difference to the gaming demands I place on it, since they're all lightweight games (Banished, Rise of Nations, Age of Mythology).

The one gripe I have is that in terms of specifications, the card reads like it has been gimped slightly, with 64-bit memory bandwidth, and with the card running on an x4 PCI-E configuration (it is plugged in to the x16 slot which is electrically an x16 slot, just that the card is internally capped at x4). In the real world, I don't think these matter, but when comparing specs to the previous card, it does seem an odd decision. I'm not sure why Nvidia felt the need to do this, as the GT 1050 is way ahead, so there's no risk of the 1030 undercutting it.
 
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (October 2017)

Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:26 pm

Hi,

for a 4k desktop music composer Win10-based computer (should be as quiet as possible), is this VGA sufficient?
- Gigabyte GT 1030 Silent Low Profile 2G
(Sorry, I am still not allowed to post links here).

No gaming at all, just for work.

thanks,
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Re: Best low profile video cards available (October 2017)

Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:05 pm

bacizone wrote:
for a 4k desktop music composer Win10-based computer (should be as quiet as possible), is this VGA sufficient?

Yes, if the screen is HDMI 2.0
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